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d0m1n33r #1 Posted 27 March 2020 - 02:26 AM

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Since the change of meta + a lot of new venicles added.

 

113 is now nobrainer to play: 430u have more armor ,about little bit better mobilite,superb camo ,more shells ,less ammoracked ,no weakspot cupolas ,113 have only -2% depression to the sides + little bit more accuracy  and to not forget 112 have more armor than 113 which is ridicilous

proposal:

1: add 10 mm to the side armor which is not 120 but 90 really  ,make lower plate same as 112 or even little bit bettter,maybe put 10-20 on front of turret

2:dont touch gun its fine,make the tank can carry 45-50 shells since it is absurdly stupid how 113 can carry 34 shells and all other tanks with same caliber gun can carry 40+ even with smaller size  .

3:change ammorack model or whatever im running save stowage and every hit ammoracks me

This bufff doesnt seem to me like a big thingy so its easily implementable and nobody will cry .

 

110 : definetly need a buff ,i was thinking after HD u would make him with a good armor but it was even a nerf.Put some armor or 1% of depression i dont know but when i see this tank i see free farm

 

121 even bigger nobrainer :

1:buff alpha by 20 to 460

2:buff aimtime 2.7 to 2

3:buff speed by 5-10%

4:add same feature like 113 depression to the side

 

121 line need a lot of love also

t -34 -1 when i see this tank and have mission for fire im the happies person ...its not the worst tank but need some little buff

t -34 - 2 make him better with the big gun 122 since this is the  specially of the line

wz-120 less aimtime for the big gun  and -5% degrees depression

 

 

I would love to see what community things about it and wg staff also.



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aimtime from 2.7 to 2 would be OP AF. 2.7 > 2.4 would be fine

Speed is OK as it is

T-34-1 / -2 DEFINETLY need a buff

WZ120 is perfectly balanced as it is



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View Post_SpartanWarrior_, on 27 March 2020 - 02:27 AM, said:

aimtime from 2.7 to 2 would be OP AF. 2.7 > 2.4 would be fine

Speed is OK as it is

T-34-1 / -2 DEFINETLY need a buff

WZ120 is perfectly balanced as it is

 

So ur telling me  121 with bad dispersion values would be op with 2.0 but 430 u isnt ?

Also i never have played wz120 but ive never seen a positive comment on this tank and i would blueprint it if is not buffed .



Cobra6 #4 Posted 27 March 2020 - 02:05 PM

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T-34-1 need it's potato gun handling improved quite a bit, the rest is fine.

T-34-2 needs buffing in pretty much every available area as it's total garbage.

 

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113 should have 258 AP pen (same as 121), gun can stay the same so WZ-120 can keep it, just change the name of the AP shells. Also, increase ammo capacity to 50 rounds.

The only thing I would change for 121 is the mobility - buff engine power so, whereas Bobject is armored but not too quick, 121 is very fast and can carry that big gun around the map with ease.

As for the others, WZ-120 could use -5 gun depression for the 122mm gun, and better aimtime on all guns (2.9 for the 122mm, 2.3 or less for the 100mm ones).

T-34-2 might as well be unsalvageable with how weak it is, grinding it without losing my will to live was a challenge (yes obvious exaggeration, but the tank is that bad).

murn123 #6 Posted 27 March 2020 - 03:15 PM

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t34-1 is fine , wz-120 needs a buff though. Change 3 simple things: Improve depression form 3 degrees to 5 degrees.

                                                                                                           Improve aim time from 3.4 seconds to 2.7 seconds.

                                                                                                           Improve gun dispersion from 0.15 to 0.12.

That would make this tank playable. 3 degrees is just awful - a curb makes your gun aim to the moon - unacceptable. The aim time is also crazy by any standard.

 

When it comes to 121 and 113, the thing is that 430u made them obsolete. That tank deserves a nerf to its commander hatches - they should be nerfed to 113 level of commander hatches, or to 121 level of commander hatches and at the same time buff 113 commander hatches to 121 level (imo this would be better).

Also Udes 15/16 with its crazy dpm made 121 obsolete. It does not desever such a high dpm honestly how are the crew feeding the gun in such a small turret so fast anyway. The dpm of udes is ridiculous, nerf it by atleast 1 second, making it 2537 base dpm, which would be 50 dpm worse tan 430U.

 

Also 112 got a slight buff some time ago, but that buff wasnt carried over to 113 even though it has the same hull - carry that buff over (you get slight armor buffs and more importantly more shells). Honestly maybe increase armor a little more, like you suggested.

 

121 should get gun hadling which is categorically better than object 430U. Just improve all gun dispersion soft stats and make aim time better than 430U.

Even better and quicker solution would be replacing gun stats for aim time and dispersion of 121 with 430U while doing the same thing with 430U - replacing gun stats with gun stats of 121, basically inverting the current situation. That would make the tank shine.

 

When it comes to t-34-2 that one need a whole makeover.... the tank should get the 100mm 60-100t gun ( it is ridiculous that a light tank of the same tier gets a better gun). But honestly this tank should revolve around 122 mm gun - that gun need better everything dpm aim time and gun handling stats ( t-44 stats for 122 gun are 0.13 across the board - why do russian tanks always get the good stuff). Also hull armor is just god awful. Improving it is a must.

 

When it comes to 110 I dont know, the armor just isnt what you expect - lower plate to big and shoulders on the hull are also weak. Increase armor ? Or maybe give gun handling some love. Is-3 has a bigger gun with better gun dispersion stats - funny how that works.


Edited by murn123, 27 March 2020 - 03:43 PM.


Balc0ra #7 Posted 27 March 2020 - 04:09 PM

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Well. We know the Germans, Russian and US HT's will get the first line of the new balance. Who knows, maybe finally the T-34-1 line etc is on their list for later. It has been asked for more or less as long as the IS-4 etc.

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View Postd0m1n33r, on 27 March 2020 - 05:45 AM, said:

 

So ur telling me  121 with bad dispersion values would be op with 2.0 but 430 u isnt ?

Also i never have played wz120 but ive never seen a positive comment on this tank and i would blueprint it if is not buffed .

Git gud man

121 has 0.34 while 430U has 0.38

121 with 0.34 and 2sec aiming time would be too accurate

Use ur brain sir.

430U has 0.38 with 2.2sec



murn123 #9 Posted 27 March 2020 - 04:46 PM

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View Post_SpartanWarrior_, on 27 March 2020 - 04:38 PM, said:

Git gud man

121 has 0.34 while 430U has 0.38

121 with 0.34 and 2sec aiming time would be too accurate

Use ur brain sir.

430U has 0.38 with 2.2sec

How about we invert it giving 430U a much needed nerf and at the same time giving 121 a buff. Also nerf commander hatches on 430U to 121 level.



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View Postmurn123, on 27 March 2020 - 09:46 AM, said:

How about we invert it giving 430U a much needed nerf and at the same time giving 121 a buff. Also nerf commander hatches on 430U to 121 level.

That makes MUCH more sense

EDIT: I have some... proposals.

430U:

Reload time: 9.78>10.56

Aiming time: 2.21>2.41

Dispersion: 0.38>0.39

Make the turret hatches 121 level.

121:

Reload time:9.21>9.15

Aiming time:2.6>2.3

Depression: -5>-7

DPS:440>400

430:

Aim time: 2.40>2.65

WZ120: People complain its awful but its perfect

Reload time:11.51>10.51

Aiming time:3.26>2.96

Improved turret dispersion (buff)

Top speed:56>54

T-34-2:122mm

Dispersion:0.46>0.40

Reload:14>11.6

*100mm top gun*:

Dispersion:0.37>0.34

Aim:2.68>2.2

APCR Pen: 241>251

AP Pen:181>201

T-34-1:

Reload:8.92>7.1

Aim:2.78>2.36

Dispersion:0.40>0.34

 

 

 


Edited by _SpartanWarrior_, 27 March 2020 - 06:04 PM.


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View Post_SpartanWarrior_, on 27 March 2020 - 05:06 PM, said:

That makes MUCH more sense

EDIT: I have some... proposals.

430U:

Reload time: 9.78>10.56

Aiming time: 2.21>2.41

Dispersion: 0.38>0.39

Make the turret hatches 121 level.

121:

Reload time:9.21>9.15

Aiming time:2.6>2.3

Depression: -5>-7

DPS:440>400

430:

Aim time: 2.40>2.65

WZ120: People complain its awful but its perfect

Reload time:11.51>10.51

Aiming time:3.26>2.96

Top speed:56>54

T-34-2:122mm

Dispersion:0.46>0.40

Reload:14>11.6

*100mm top gun*:

Dispersion:0.37>0.34

Aim:2.68>2.2

APCR Pen: 241>251

AP Pen:181>201

T-34-1:

Reload:8.92>7.1

Aim:2.78>2.36

Dispersion:0.40>0.34

AP Pen:175>186

APCR pen:235>246

 

 

Interesting we disagre about wz-120 and t-34-1 for opposite reasons. I think t-34-1 is fine and wz-120 need a buff. Anyway i really dont think wz-120 need a dpm buff, just depression, aim time and turret dispersion. What is really happening in the battle is that you dpm is constrained due to aim time and turret dispersion. Increasing dpm wont do anything for wz-120, you already wait longer for aiming circle than for reload. 

 

t-34-1 is tier 7 tank?? giving it 186mm of pen is too much. t-43 has 144mm of pen I had so much fun playing it in 4 month ago. t-34-1 feel bad due to gun handling and dpm, but that is the price you pay for stronk turret at tier 7. The tank is actually in top 10 of all mediums by winrate. It really is fine.



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View Postmurn123, on 27 March 2020 - 10:48 AM, said:

Interesting we disagre about wz-120 and t-34-1 for opposite reasons. I think t-34-1 is fine and wz-120 need a buff. Anyway i really dont think wz-120 need a dpm buff, just depression, aim time and turret dispersion. What is really happening in the battle is that you dpm is constrained due to aim time and turret dispersion. Increasing dpm wont do anything for wz-120, you already wait longer for aiming circle than for reload. 

 

t-34-1 is tier 7 tank?? giving it 186mm of pen is too much. t-43 has 144mm of pen I had so much fun playing it in 4 month ago. t-34-1 feel bad due to gun handling and dpm, but that is the price you pay for stronk turret at tier 7. The tank is actually in top 10 of all mediums by winrate. It really is fine.

I will edit it then to what it fits






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