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Vela_ZG #1 Posted 09 April 2020 - 11:22 AM

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Imagine how I felt after this game. I was all over the place, trying, helping, scouting, taking damage so I could help others, destroyed 5 tanks, and got the same EXP points as arty on my team! One point less actually. So, why try? Why bother? How is this OK Wargaming? Do you even play? At least some of you? What the hell is psychologically wrong with you all there? Are you all drunk all the time or just every day? Did you all go to school for children with special needs? One other thing that often makes me happy is the suspense in waiting for an eloquent response from "your people" and admins in this god forsaken place called forum. Lets go...

 

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Homer_J #2 Posted 09 April 2020 - 11:31 AM

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EXP is awarded depending on how much use the game decides you were to the team.  The game decided the arty was more useful than you.  Judges decision is final.

Balc0ra #3 Posted 09 April 2020 - 11:33 AM

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Well, for starters he has a bonus you don't have. Doing damage to higher tiers. And all 3 tier X's below him did most of the damage on others spotting, thus you all lost 50% XP on most of your damage as he did. So combine the two, even with your slightly higher combined damage/assist. It can explain why you trailed behind. And with 3 and 5 kills, that small bonus for the 2 extra might not count for much.

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Vela_ZG #4 Posted 09 April 2020 - 11:45 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 09 April 2020 - 11:31 AM, said:

EXP is awarded depending on how much use the game decides you were to the team.  The game decided the arty was more useful than you.  Judges decision is final.

Homer, I understand that, but I also think it needs to be completely reworked, or at least it needs to incorporate many more parameters into the verdict.  



Homer_J #5 Posted 09 April 2020 - 11:49 AM

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View PostVela_ZG, on 09 April 2020 - 10:45 AM, said:

Homer, I understand that, but I also think it needs to be completely reworked, or at least it needs to incorporate many more parameters into the verdict.  

 

They did for Ranked and that gets even more complaints.

 

The formula is secret for good reason, to prevent people gaming the system.  I gave up trying to figure it out long before the end of beta.



Private_Miros #6 Posted 09 April 2020 - 11:50 AM

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View PostVela_ZG, on 09 April 2020 - 10:45 AM, said:

Homer, I understand that, but I also think it needs to be completely reworked, or at least it needs to incorporate many more parameters into the verdict.  

 

Such as?



Homer_J #7 Posted 09 April 2020 - 11:58 AM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 09 April 2020 - 10:50 AM, said:

 

Such as?

 

Distance travelled?



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You did about 3.4k damage and assist. The arty did about 3.4k damage and assist. What's the problem?

 

If anyone has reason to be salty the 430U and STRV should because they did way more than you and got much less XP.



NekoPuffer_PPP #9 Posted 09 April 2020 - 12:17 PM

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Half of your damage was done at over 300m. I haven't watched the replay but it might be why you got less XP, because you weren't spotting those targets. If you killed those tanks when they were outside your viewrange, you get less XP per kill.

 

Also the arty is a tier lower than you. He gets more XP for doing the same things to the same tanks (i.e. shooting higher-tier tanks).

 

You both basically had the same influence and you're complaining about how he got ONE more XP than you...that's artyist. Artist? Yeah that's artist.



Private_Miros #10 Posted 09 April 2020 - 12:28 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 09 April 2020 - 10:58 AM, said:

 

Distance travelled?

 

I think you actually do get xp for that already :D



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View PostVela_ZG, on 09 April 2020 - 11:22 AM, said:

Imagine how I felt after this game. I was all over the place, trying, helping, scouting, taking damage so I could help others, destroyed 5 tanks, and got the same EXP points as arty on my team! One point less actually. So, why try? Why bother? How is this OK Wargaming? Do you even play? At least some of you? What the hell is psychologically wrong with you all there? Are you all drunk all the time or just every day? Did you all go to school for children with special needs? One other thing that often makes me happy is the suspense in waiting for an eloquent response from "your people" and admins in this god forsaken place called forum. Lets go...

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/5317293#airfield-vela_zg-leopard_1

 

Why should an arty get less XP than you?  When you play arty, do you want to be rewarded for your contribution?  

 

Resorting to ad hominems and fallacious arguments is not really doing anything to support your position. 

 

Again, john Rawls suggested a system of rule creation where the rules are made in ignorance of where you will be in the new paradigm.  I.E. You create a world where slavery is allowed but you have no idea if you will be slave or master in that world..  This is known as the veil of ignorance.  People should refer to it before resorting to arguments such as yours.


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Vela_ZG #12 Posted 09 April 2020 - 01:47 PM

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I think WG's modus operandi is veil of ignorance, and trying to appear smart doesn't make your shallow post relevant. The amount of effort and real contribution to that particular game between that arty player and I is not comparable. And you know it.

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View PostVela_ZG, on 09 April 2020 - 12:47 PM, said:

I think WG's modus operandi is veil of ignorance, and trying to appear smart doesn't make your shallow post relevant. The amount of effort and real contribution to that particular game between that arty player and I is not comparable. And you know it.

 

He almost did as much 3400 vs 3500, and he is a lower tier, and he gets a bonus for damage dealt over 300m, while half your damage dealt was over 300m.

 

I really fail to see the issue here, unless this is some veiled rant against arty as such. But that stands separate from xp calculations.


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View PostVela_ZG, on 09 April 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

I think WG's modus operandi is veil of ignorance, and trying to appear smart doesn't make your shallow post relevant. The amount of effort and real contribution to that particular game between that arty player and I is not comparable. And you know it.


Now I need an explanation here, did he actually type that or just copy pasted it from somewhere. And if he can have that much insight into so many things, how the hell can he still be "bad" at this simple little game...really, how? And this is meant as a question and nothing else, do not take it as an insult, it was not meant in that way, I am just wondering.

 



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View PostHomer_J, on 09 April 2020 - 10:49 AM, said:

 

They did for Ranked and that gets even more complaints.

 

The formula is secret for good reason, to prevent people gaming the system.  I gave up trying to figure it out long before the end of beta.


Do damage, spot targets and try to win seems the best way to go.



Nitro_Tank #16 Posted 09 April 2020 - 02:40 PM

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The exp system is more than stupid. Yesterday i had a game in the strv 103B over 6k damage and 5 kills. I was 2nd after a defender with 2.8k damage and 3 kills. He had 1k spotting assist. 

I wonder who had a bigger impact in this game.



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View PostNitro_Tank, on 09 April 2020 - 01:40 PM, said:

The exp system is more than stupid. Yesterday i had a game in the strv 103B over 6k damage and 5 kills. I was 2nd after a defender with 2.8k damage and 3 kills. He had 1k spotting assist. 

I wonder who had a bigger impact in this game.


Screenshot perhaps?



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View PostNitro_Tank, on 09 April 2020 - 01:40 PM, said:

The exp system is more than stupid. Yesterday i had a game in the strv 103B over 6k damage and 5 kills. I was 2nd after a defender with 2.8k damage and 3 kills. He had 1k spotting assist. 

I wonder who had a bigger impact in this game.

 

One of the few things we know is you get exp for just being "in the battle", we have no idea what that means but a reasonable guess is within a certain distance of shots being fired which hit enemy tanks.  I would guess a STRV surviving long enough to do 6k damage wasn't on the front line.  The logic being that simply being there can have an impact on the battle without actually doing anything measurable.

 

For arty this seems to translate to where they are aiming rather than where the sit.



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View PostHomer_J, on 09 April 2020 - 01:49 PM, said:

 

One of the few things we know is you get exp for just being "in the battle", we have no idea what that means but a reasonable guess is within a certain distance of shots being fired which hit enemy tanks.  I would guess a STRV surviving long enough to do 6k damage wasn't on the front line.  The logic being that simply being there can have an impact on the battle without actually doing anything measurable.

 

For arty this seems to translate to where they are aiming rather than where the sit.

It was on minsk (i think thats the map name). I went on the left side where most meds usually fight and was pretty close up. Ofc i had some long range shots across the field later but it wasnt a camp in the back all the time type of game. Maybe it was his damage blocked?? was quite a substantial amount


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Balc0ra #20 Posted 09 April 2020 - 04:02 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 09 April 2020 - 11:58 AM, said:

 

Distance travelled?

 

 

Then you could pad XP driving circles in spawn or behind the main lines. And you know how well it worked when WG wanted to calculate blocking into it. Every super heavy got 10 000 XP for them to implement that right I suspect.

 

Now, there are some classes that get bonus XP in randoms in some situations. Like lights doing module damage to HTs. But most classes have nothing, like TD's or 2nd line HTs or mediums like the Leo 1, as they don't usually get 1st spots playing their role to even get that bonus. If they gave small bonuses like that for each class, for doing their role. Or even subclasses like the Leo 1 that is a sniper med, vs a brawler like the 430U. Then his XP might have been different vs just going by tier difference targets and support fire XP loss alone.

 

View PostNitro_Tank, on 09 April 2020 - 02:40 PM, said:

The exp system is more than stupid. Yesterday i had a game in the strv 103B over 6k damage and 5 kills. I was 2nd after a defender with 2.8k damage and 3 kills. He had 1k spotting assist. 

I wonder who had a bigger impact in this game.

 

To get more XP then him. Then WG needs to remove the bonus for doing damage to higher tiers, and remove the 50% loss pr damage point given to the spotter. As when you play TDs, you usually do damage on other's spotting. Less so in a HT. If they do that, then you will get more XP for doing 6K damage and 5 kills as top tier in a +2 game. Now, you could put up an argument for class XP in randoms, or even for getting top damage. But be it by removing the 50% XP penalty, or bonuses for top damage. I suspect most would argue for that XP system to only reward redline campers vs those pushing the line.

 







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