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Rockblocker #21 Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:48 AM

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Try duo-ing with someone, it's more fun and easier to grind.

Tanku49 #22 Posted 11 January 2012 - 11:00 AM

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D2, having just completed Eliting it, is a very good defensive tank, my best is 8 kills on Mines, including PzIIIs and a B1. One thing i found rather good was the turret and aim speed, i found it easy to hit small fast movers at medium range. What it is isnt is an open space tank, or a fast attack tank. Its other problem is pen. twice i came unstuck trying to deal with a unflankable Hertzer, plenty of hits , all dings.

Not a keeper, but once i got the hang of it a reasonable machine.

Schwartz_Geist #23 Posted 11 January 2012 - 07:48 PM

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Worthless piece of garbage.

As a Tier 3 it gets very bad MM treatment.  Good luck using this tank against any tier 4 or 5 (aside from light armored units like some of the arty).

I am finding this thing is easily killed despite the armor value.

Gun is junk above tier 3.

Worthless.  The 3500 off EXP needed to get B1 (which is not a great tank either) is painful.

WG fail - why intro French tanks when most of the lower tier tanks are garbage used only for infantry support?  These junk heaps were never intended to be used in tank combat.

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Otrorto #24 Posted 11 January 2012 - 09:29 PM

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Just elited and got the 66mm pen gun......... i dont think its that bad, actually all the Tier 4 or less frechs are far worse than this.

Its far more fast than all the rest french tanks tier 4 or less, have a decent and quite accurate gun (FINALLY!! XD ), decent armour (couple steel walls, but the AMX40 can withstand like the double hits without damaging it, got 3 steel walls in it in my first 4 battles)

In overall its by far the best tier 4 or less french tank, but that really dont make him good at all, T-46, Pz3 and even M3Lee are far better tanks...... http://forum.worldof...mile_unsure.gif

Well, at least its better than the A-20!!! http://forum.worldof...e_veryhappy.gif

Brazilski #25 Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:48 PM

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View PostOtrorto, on 11 January 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

Well, at least its better than the A-20!!! http://forum.worldof...e_veryhappy.gif

Yeah, but everything is.

I'd take on an A-20 with a BB gun on a tricycle.

Zenith #26 Posted 15 January 2012 - 04:10 PM

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Just got 5 kills with a fully upgraded D2, but I agree, it's still a pretty bad tank.

Justaguy30 #27 Posted 18 January 2012 - 09:44 PM

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View PostThracius, on 05 January 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

lol this thing is terrible, it's slow, it's a huge target - a profile that's very easy to hit and its gun sucks, the trifecta of bad tanking

also, I have never thought "oh s*** there's an M3 Lee!" before playing the D2

Had to give you +1 just for nearly making me wet myself laughing...

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s3rjiu #28 Posted 29 January 2012 - 07:32 AM

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It's good to know that are some people who share my feelings about this tank.

Radical626 #29 Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:03 AM

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View Postmigrater, on 05 January 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

PzIV has an accurate gun and is a tier 5. The D2 is a tier 3, so don't expect to much of a pzIV vs a D2 lol.
The D2 is a bit to slow in my eyes. Especially for a medium.

He was talking about the t46, another tier 3 in the same sentence, i think the point is he meant the pz3 and its variant.

Perscienter #30 Posted 02 February 2012 - 06:33 PM

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I can't share your pessimism. Plays like a tier 3 heavy.

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Dongfeng_division #31 Posted 03 February 2012 - 04:16 AM

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View PostPerscienter, on 02 February 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

I can't share your pessimism. Plays like a tier 3 heavy.

I second that.

D2 is a great tank. Some won't enjoy it, but there's nothing wrong with its stats.

Radical626 #32 Posted 03 February 2012 - 07:18 AM

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I cant believe somebody is troll raging over a tier 3 tank. You can bypass it non prem after a few hours of gameplay or free xp! Perscienter's top score is awesome but his average xp is just standard there is nothing wrong or awesome with the tank its perfectly balanced.

Zevka #33 Posted 03 February 2012 - 11:02 AM

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View PostRadical626, on 03 February 2012 - 07:18 AM, said:

I cant believe somebody is troll raging over a tier 3 tank. You can bypass it non prem after a few hours of gameplay or free xp! Perscienter's top score is awesome but his average xp is just standard there is nothing wrong or awesome with the tank its perfectly balanced.

The problem is the other nation low tiers are full of keepers. Not the french one (maybe the H35, but it's kinda worse than the premium, same for the B1).

For exemple, the germans got the PzII & III, the Luchs, the Pz35(t). The russian have BT-2, T-26 & 46, even the T-28 can be fun because it's fast and well gunned. The american got the Stuart, the T2 the M2s etc. The french got.... the H35. And that's all. Maybe the B1bis (I love it, but I can understand why it's not popular).



WG stick with historical specs and drawbacks, crippling french low tiers who fight against unrealistic tanks (PzIII going at 64km/h for exemple), without any compensation (maybe only for the B1 and it's narrow MM spread).


They are already planning the nerf of the high tiers light & medium, but not any words on buffing the low tiers who badly need it.

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View PostZevka, on 03 February 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

The problem is the other nation low tiers are full of keepers. Not the french one (maybe the H35, but it's kinda worse than the premium, same for the B1).

For exemple, the germans got the PzII & III, the Luchs, the Pz35(t). The russian have BT-2, T-26 & 46, even the T-28 can be fun because it's fast and well gunned. The american got the Stuart, the T2 the M2s etc. The french got.... the H35. And that's all. Maybe the B1bis (I love it, but I can understand why it's not popular).



WG stick with historical specs and drawbacks, crippling french low tiers who fight against unrealistic tanks (PzIII going at 64km/h for exemple), without any compensation (maybe only for the B1 and it's narrow MM spread).


They are already planning the nerf of the high tiers light & medium, but not any words on buffing the low tiers who badly need it.
All the tanks you've quoted are average. Even the M2 LT is average in 7.2, because its balanced armour does not help against Tetrarchs and other high penetration stuff in 7.2 and its gun now often has problems. Despite some premium vehicles, only the Marder is still an outstanding low tier vehicle, in my opinion.

BT-2, T-26 and Tetrarch are one step below overpowered due to low armour and crippled view range.

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Is there something wrong with this tank´s MM value?

6-7 games in a row and every single one against all kinds of tier 5 tanks and always near the bottom of the list.

I know WOT´s MM is one of the worst jokes in gaming history, but this is beyond me...

Radical626 #36 Posted 05 February 2012 - 07:27 AM

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View PostZevka, on 03 February 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

The problem is the other nation low tiers are full of keepers. Not the french one (maybe the H35, but it's kinda worse than the premium, same for the B1).

For exemple, the germans got the PzII & III, the Luchs, the Pz35(t). The russian have BT-2, T-26 & 46, even the T-28 can be fun because it's fast and well gunned. The american got the Stuart, the T2 the M2s etc. The french got.... the H35. And that's all. Maybe the B1bis (I love it, but I can understand why it's not popular).



WG stick with historical specs and drawbacks, crippling french low tiers who fight against unrealistic tanks (PzIII going at 64km/h for exemple), without any compensation (maybe only for the B1 and it's narrow MM spread).


They are already planning the nerf of the high tiers light & medium, but not any words on buffing the low tiers who badly need it.


You can't ask WG to balance the tanks based on the fact they arent worth keeping in the garage. The frenchies remember only have TWO trees whilst the germans have FIVE etc, etc.

I think the AMX40 does well and overall the low tier frenchies are well armoured.

The russians don't really have the t28 or the t26, they have the bt2 and bt7 and su26 which excel more so than the t46.

The germans get the pz2 and marder 2.

The yanks get the td with gun and td with armour - t40 and t82?

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View PostRadical626, on 05 February 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

You can't ask WG to balance the tanks based on the fact they arent worth keeping in the garage. The frenchies remember only have TWO trees whilst the germans have FIVE etc, etc.

I'm just comparing the "basics" tree, not including TD & SPGs. Plus, the problem is not none of them is worth keeping, the problem is WHY they are not worth keeping : because they're all the worse tanks in their respective tier. Look at the unofficial stats, mainly the part where the win ratio of a tank is compared to the win ratio of its owner in similar tier tank.

French tanks are doing worse in every tier, in every tank. That's kinda a major issue isn't it ?
Specially when you see that some premium are doing better that their free counterparts...

Here's a summary of said stats (tank: win ratio for this tank / win ratio with similar tanks) :

Tier 1

RenaultFT: 48.02% / 49.45% (at least this one fully upgraded is funny with a nice mobility)


Tier 2

D1: 46.56% / 49.40%
Hotchkisss H35: 48.86% / 49.97%


Tier 3

AMX 38: 48.37% / 49.10%
D2: 47.68% / 48.79%


Tier 4

AMX 40: 49.21% / 50.84%
B1bis:  46.99% / 51.13% (mainly due to the matchmaking, because its only contender is the... B2)



I loved the idea of strong and slow low tiers, waited for the frenchies since the beta, but right now, gameplay-wise, they're just a mess. Their guns are way too useless to compensate the lack of mobility, or when the armor is not enough (due to the matchmaking), IRL, those 47mm were on par with the late 5cm german ones, in game, they have only similar pen, but way worse damages... why ?

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because when you get to tier 5 you get a tier 7 gun. the BDR and ARL are both very good gunned tanks so the B1 being crap makes sense.

The amx40 doesnt need a good gun, the odd battle where it is top dog or there are only a few tier 5's (half the battles it will be in that case) its armour is enough to bounce most things anyway so it has the size of a light but a power level of over 9000.

The frenchies also gain xp the fastest so you ten to power through them faster. And for usefulness.... the AMX40 has plenty of usefulness in company battles because thingsl ike the luchs will struggle to kill it.

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So because some of those tanks are marginally good in some situation (but doing way worse in every other). And because some totally different tanks got nice upgrades in higher tiers (this is not even true, the top gun on BDR isn't specially good, and on the ARL they just have a good penetration, every other stats are bad). It justifies that every low tier are bad ?

That doesn't make any sense. It's more nonsensical than a Monty Python's sketch, minus the wit and humor.

Following your argument would justify nerfing every russian tank below tier 4 (of course, KV got the 107mm), or every lower tiers german, because the 75L100 on the panther have an excellent penetration for a tier 7 medium ! Or even worse with the US tree, you know, the T29 got a tier 9 gun. Man, WG.net should nerf every US tank below.

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I said it makes sense that the tier 4 heavy in THAT line is UP because the tier 5 and tier 6 heavies in THAT line are very good.

The KV is getting re-worked and the kv3 is moving up a tier.

Its fine the way it is. A crap tank is a crap tank. The logic I stated is not a definitive formula which WG follows in any way shape or form. Its just something which occurs.

Look at the pz4, great tank, 3001p, shite tank, tiger p, great tank, vkA poor tank. Same thing.

Look at the KV, great tank, KV3 great tank (both being nerfed/moved), is3 good tank, is4 great tank (nerfed/moved) is7 good tank.

Consequently assuming limit boundaries a,A dash, x y and z we can use double integration of an indeterminate matrix to solve the way WG balances the trees..........

Please don't take my words and twist them, because anybody with intelligence will be able to see that you are doing it. I was merely explaining to you that your issue is rendered moot by the points I gave in my first statement.





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