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Poll: Should premium ammunition's damage count on Gunmark and Wn8? (89 members have cast votes)

You have to complete 250 battle in order to participate this poll.

Should premium damage count in player's wn8?

  1. Yes (46 votes [51.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 51.69%

  2. No (43 votes [48.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 48.31%

Should premium damage count in player's Gunmark grind?

  1. Yes (48 votes [53.93%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 53.93%

  2. No (41 votes [46.07%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.07%

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Freg0 #1 Posted 28 April 2020 - 01:04 PM

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      In my opinion the damage caused by premium ammunition barely represents a player's skillset. There are a few cases, when a knowledgeable player switches to premium rounds (not for more penetration, but for better optimization on the angled armor (HEAT) or lower penetration loss over distance or faster projectile (mostly APCR), etc.)

      But this should be few and far between.

 What we currently see is mindless premium shell spam. For example T-54's spamming HEAT on Super Pershing's front and being surprised how he's cheat 330 pen gold rounds do not penetrate a tier 8 medium...But just almost any other cases.

 

The most annoying part is that the players can mislead the system and earn 3 gunmark (not deservedly so) on tanks not by skillset, but by goldspamming, which in many cases does not let much skilled players who refuse to spam gold mindlessly to achieve the 3 gunmark.

Tanks like FV183, T49 and Sheridan derp or artielly's make exceptions in my opinion.

 

So here is a poll, let me know how many like minded person browses the forum.

Thanks.



Private_Miros #2 Posted 28 April 2020 - 01:07 PM

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View PostFreg0, on 28 April 2020 - 12:04 PM, said:

 What we currently see is mindless premium shell spam. For example T-54's spamming HEAT on Super Pershing's front and being surprised how he's cheat 330 pen gold rounds do not penetrate a tier 8 medium...But just almost any other cases.

 

And exactly how did this help the T-54 to get a third gun mark unfairly...?



Slyspy #3 Posted 28 April 2020 - 01:10 PM

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Being sour about the achievements of others is not a pleasant trait.

Marlekin #4 Posted 28 April 2020 - 01:12 PM

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View PostFreg0, on 28 April 2020 - 01:04 PM, said:

The most annoying part is ...


I think players annoyed by statistical issues, take 'stats' too far. 



TwoPointsOfInterest #5 Posted 28 April 2020 - 01:14 PM

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I think its a case of 'other people are doing better than me so something must be wrong'

Long_Range_Sniper #6 Posted 28 April 2020 - 01:14 PM

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View PostFreg0, on 28 April 2020 - 12:04 PM, said:

The most annoying part is that the players can mislead the system and earn 3 gunmark (not deservedly so) on tanks not by skillset, but by goldspamming

 

I assume you've never used food ever on any of your vehicles? Because they're obviously increasing their DPM and view range by their "skillz" and not using something available to them in game?



barison1 #7 Posted 28 April 2020 - 01:52 PM

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do the test yourself; go full gold higher tiers and alot of 3moe should flow in easely right?

 

 



fwhaatpiraat #8 Posted 28 April 2020 - 01:57 PM

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View Postbarison1, on 28 April 2020 - 01:52 PM, said:

do the test yourself; go full gold higher tiers and alot of 3moe should flow in easely right?

 

 


I'm quite sure I would get easier marks when playing with food, vents instead of optics and more premium ammo.

 

To answer the OP: I don't care.



3W1_ #9 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:02 PM

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randoms are trash enough so why shouldnt i optimize my chances of having a good battle. people who dont understand that are the biggest fools

barison1 #10 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:05 PM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 28 April 2020 - 01:57 PM, said:


I'm quite sure I would get easier marks when playing with food, vents instead of optics and more premium ammo.

 

To answer the OP: I don't care.

easier as you can play more consistant, quite sure whole bunch of those marks would still be obtained without gold/food but taking longer. 200 games instead of 100 as example, which ofc still differs highly per tank

 

but do you think steve the is7 driver who struggles getting 65% marks can plain get 3rd mark by loading gold then? which is basically what OP is trying to describe that gold equals 3moe


Edited by barison1, 28 April 2020 - 02:08 PM.


3W1_ #11 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:07 PM

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i once tried to play without gold and i didnt manage to get above 45% wr.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #12 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:08 PM

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You can't 3-mark whatever tank it is your trying to because you're not good enough, consistently enough. Not because 'gold rounds'.

 

The solution is 'git gud'. 



Private_Miros #13 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:08 PM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 28 April 2020 - 12:57 PM, said:


I'm quite sure I would get easier marks when playing with food, vents instead of optics and more premium ammo.

 

Well duh (apart vents/optics, spotting is quite important) but the HEAT spamming T-54 that just auto aims and sits there isn't, and you aren't a potato without.

 

Using all advantages the game offers gives you - surprise - an advantage (implying that not using them gives you a disadvantage - so why choose that if you can sustain it), but it doesn't turn a vegetable into a unicorn or even a player with the OP or my performance into someone who three marks everything.



TankkiPoju #14 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:09 PM

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View PostFreg0, on 28 April 2020 - 01:04 PM, said:

 What we currently see is mindless premium shell spam. For example T-54's spamming HEAT on Super Pershing's front and being surprised how he's cheat 330 pen gold rounds do not penetrate a tier 8 medium...But just almost any other cases.

 

It's a good comparison, because literally 99% of Super Pershings fire pretty much only premium ammo.

 



GodTank2 #15 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:14 PM

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I like how you have an issue with people loading gold to be able to have a higher chance at penning but loading gold on a FV183 which btw increases your damage by 600 and can even 1 shot tier 10 tanks just by paying 8k credits per shot , well that's an exception right? But [edited]the guy who loads gold to pen stupid armor.

I wonder is the FV an exception because you own it and play with it or it just came in your mind?



splash_time #16 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:23 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 28 April 2020 - 04:09 PM, said:

 

It's a good comparison, because literally 99% of Super Pershings fire pretty much only premium ammo.

 

 

Yeah, also HEAT-54 is created to spam gold, because without gold it's a pity tank. :izmena::justwait:

 

Edit: Also dear OP, i have no idea, because I've never been interested in marking tanks anyway.


Edited by splash_time, 28 April 2020 - 02:27 PM.


TungstenHitman #17 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:25 PM

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What's this standard ammo you speak of? 

Geno1isme #18 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:31 PM

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Irrelevant poll, WG-API only records a single damage value so at least WN8 simply can't take ammo type into account.

 

Surely would make some interesting cases when MoE requirements of certain tanks suddenly drop to the ground :teethhappy:



Cobra6 #19 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:40 PM

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Didn't we have one of these threads earlier Today?

 

Do we really need another one?

 

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Freg0 #20 Posted 28 April 2020 - 02:41 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 28 April 2020 - 01:40 PM, said:

Didn't we have one of these threads earlier Today?

 

Do we really need another one?

 

Cobra 6


Did we? If so, my bad.







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