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Dis4ster #1 Posted 02 May 2020 - 07:05 PM

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Q&A from 25 April 2020

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 Why do premium shells cost more – the way in which we determined the cost is realistic DPM, the chance of doing damage times the damage value. Special rounds have a higher effective DPM, thus the higher cost. One of our tasks is adjust future prices, because the amount of standard damage will be higher.

 

If its so then explain why T92 with its Tier7 gun pays 5600 credits for a premium shot that has 210mm pen and does 150 dmg on average.

While LP-432 with T8 gun pays 3200 credits for 218mm pen and 180 alpha damage.

 

Do those so called game devs even know their freaking game.

 

They were able to change the amount of shells the tanks carry at Tier 1-6 to counter the HP increase. But couldnt give tanks like those british LTs enough shells to have at least 10k potential damage, wtf is going on in their heads.



Enderman21 #2 Posted 02 May 2020 - 07:19 PM

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Short answer, Russia.

Long answer, RUSHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.



24doom24 #3 Posted 02 May 2020 - 09:53 PM

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T92 fires premium HEAT

LT-432 fires AP as premium.

 

HEAT is usually the most expensive premium round. 



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View PostDis4ster, on 02 May 2020 - 07:05 PM, said:

Q&A from 25 April 2020

 

If its so then explain why T92 with its Tier7 gun pays 5600 credits for a premium shot that has 210mm pen and does 150 dmg on average.

While LP-432 with T8 gun pays 3200 credits for 218mm pen and 180 alpha damage.

 

Do those so called game devs even know their freaking game.

 

They were able to change the amount of shells the tanks carry at Tier 1-6 to counter the HP increase. But couldnt give tanks like those british LTs enough shells to have at least 10k potential damage, wtf is going on in their heads.

Considering most of the playerbase believes to Russian bias and hidden RNG statistics for Russian tanks, yes, you are sheep



barison1 #5 Posted 02 May 2020 - 10:20 PM

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obj260/IS4/obj279e HEAT costs 5.2k (440 dmg)
chieftain APCR costs 4.8k (440 dmg)

brit bias confirmed???

 

anyways to be serious agian HEAT usually costs the most

 

 

oh funsies addition; deathstar/shitbarn 183mm hesh costs 8k for 1750 dmg making it an utter cheap shell per dmg.

deathstar 183mm hesh cred/dmg is 4.57
lt432 85mm APCR cred/dmg is 17.77

 

 

 


 


Edited by barison1, 02 May 2020 - 10:22 PM.


VsUK #6 Posted 02 May 2020 - 10:22 PM

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Have anyone tried playing on the Russian servers? I mean, it's wow. You can't move anywhere without being ammo racked constantly. 

The games a money pit for wallet warriors & nothing more. I would like a realism mode like War Thunder. A game with no radar, visual spotting only & the shots are realistic. And more importantly, no auto aim for the game period. The auto aim lock is how mods abuse the auto aim. Remove it & problem solved. Also, why even have it anyways? What's it supposed to be for? If people can't aim, they shouldn't be helped. What's next, tractor beam to pull friendly tanks to safety. 

Also, I can categorically state that the way this game portrays most British tanks is insulting. Some have had their statistics twisted to make it inferior. The Conquer for example, tier 9 is all you need & have the possibility of being put top tank with tier 7's. The S Conc just has a little more HP & that's about it. And it wasn't even an active tank the S Conq, they just slapped on some armour to test armour piercing shells on them & nothing more. 

But with the Russian tree. It's almost like, if someone drew on a beer mat a tank with rough stats they'd like to see, WG jump on it & introduce it. I have no interest in Russian tanks because most of them were no where near as good as this game makes them out to be. And coming up against them, your already at a disadvantage. So I'm forced to grind down the Russian tech tree just to compete. 

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Simply because they can. And i guess WG is really not understanding their own game. 

They might buff some tanks after aome while indeed. But the overall idea is true.

Look to most of their staff (no offense), and how they perform in the game. They usually are average players on their own.

WG needs the opinion of the good players on whatever the buff/nerf is. Because they really seem not to get it.

For example the German tech tree. They noticed that this tech tree needs buffs after 5-6 years?(!)

I would highly recommend to WG to use from good players feedback. And since not everyone are participating in the forums, then use the famous good players that are active on the forum.



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View PostVsUK, on 02 May 2020 - 10:22 PM, said:


Also, I can categorically state that the way this game portrays most British tanks is insulting. Some have had their statistics twisted to make it inferior. The Conquer for example, tier 9 is all you need & have the possibility of being put top tank with tier 7's. The S Conc just has a little more HP & that's about it. And it wasn't even an active tank the S Conq, they just slapped on some armour to test armour piercing shells on them & nothing more. 
 
no clue what conq you played but cearn-conq-sconq are all great tanks so dont see how that is "insulting"

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View PostVsUK, on 02 May 2020 - 10:22 PM, said:


The games a money pit for wallet warriors & nothing more. I would like a realism mode like War Thunder. A game with no radar, visual spotting only & the shots are realistic. And more importantly, no auto aim for the game period. The auto aim lock is how mods abuse the auto aim. Remove it & problem solved. Also, why even have it anyways? What's it supposed to be for? If people can't aim, they shouldn't be helped. What's next, tractor beam to pull friendly tanks to safety. 

 

Kinda like WT? why dont you play that game if you like the way its executed? no one is forcing you to play World of Tanks (i hope) and you can go play other games when you want. i certainly do and go play other kinds of games that usually involve Swords and Axe's and Guns and MP5K's, i play those and then when i am bored again and i want to play cool tanks i come play WoT again.

if WoT would just copy WT we would just have 2 WT games and no WoT. There is a reason why games are different, not just because copyright but because people like different things. i assume many players have seen WoT commercials and said, ''nah i dont like Tanks, i like FPS games'' and continue their day and that is fine. i can almost tell that you might like WT so why keep yourself here in WoT Forums if you like WT more? just asking. when i dont like a game i just stop playing it and go play games that i do like.

i've played WT and did not like the game that much, only played few games and got one shotted by everything while they did not seem mind my shots at all. so i just came back here.

 



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View Postbarison1, on 02 May 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

obj260/IS4/obj279e HEAT costs 5.2k (440 dmg)
chieftain APCR costs 4.8k (440 dmg)

brit bias confirmed???

 

anyways to be serious agian HEAT usually costs the most

 

 

oh funsies addition; deathstar/shitbarn 183mm hesh costs 8k for 1750 dmg making it an utter cheap shell per dmg.

deathstar 183mm hesh cred/dmg is 4.57
lt432 85mm APCR cred/dmg is 17.77

 

 

 


 

 

When if you pen



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View Postxtrem3x, on 02 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

 

When if you pen


shhhh, just aim harder :hiding:



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View PostVsUK, on 02 May 2020 - 09:22 PM, said:

Have anyone tried playing on the Russian servers? I mean, it's wow. You can't move anywhere without being ammo racked constantly. 

The games a money pit for wallet warriors & nothing more. I would like a realism mode like War Thunder. A game with no radar, visual spotting only & the shots are realistic. And more importantly, no auto aim for the game period. The auto aim lock is how mods abuse the auto aim. Remove it & problem solved. Also, why even have it anyways? What's it supposed to be for? If people can't aim, they shouldn't be helped. What's next, tractor beam to pull friendly tanks to safety. 

Also, I can categorically state that the way this game portrays most British tanks is insulting. Some have had their statistics twisted to make it inferior. The Conquer for example, tier 9 is all you need & have the possibility of being put top tank with tier 7's. The S Conc just has a little more HP & that's about it. And it wasn't even an active tank the S Conq, they just slapped on some armour to test armour piercing shells on them & nothing more. 

But with the Russian tree. It's almost like, if someone drew on a beer mat a tank with rough stats they'd like to see, WG jump on it & introduce it. I have no interest in Russian tanks because most of them were no where near as good as this game makes them out to be. And coming up against them, your already at a disadvantage. So I'm forced to grind down the Russian tech tree just to compete. 

 

To be fair, all WW2 British tanks were inadequate.  They did get better in the Cold War period

On the other hand all Russian tanks without exception have performed disastrously in combat

Let them have their dreams of what might have been......


Edited by Bulldog_Drummond, 02 May 2020 - 11:14 PM.


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View Post24doom24, on 02 May 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:

T92 fires premium HEAT

LT-432 fires AP as premium.

 

HEAT is usually the most expensive premium round. 

 

T92 fires a 76mm gun.

LT-432 fires an 85mm gun.

 

85mm is slightly larger than 76mm [ergo, no reason for the T-92 to have a higher shell cost.].



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the issue overall is that WG has grown too large for its own good. There are so many departments that don't communicate properly under their own umbrella.  Secondly,yes most people are stupid sheep which is why WG models their game to take advantage of people with imbalance so they can frustrate you into spending money. It's all by design.  And for the fanboys defending WG's decisions here, well you're just illustrating bad game design. I see so many ppl talking about how the Conq is a hull down monster. LOLwut.  Everyone in Tier X with heat just cuts your vision port like butter.  That tank is a peek a boom today at best.  Sorry to burst your bubble there but at tier x most armor is meaningless unless you go hull down in a russian heavy. 

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Q/A always was fake news ..

 



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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 02 May 2020 - 10:12 PM, said:

 

To be fair, all WW2 British tanks were inadequate....

 

Name any tank in WW2 that didnt have drawbacks?



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T110E3/E4 APCR for 750 damage amd 375 pen only cost 5200 credits.

 

But all the US 76mm guns with just 115 alpha and crappy 177 pen (which they often need to fire because they have crappy 128mm standard pen often with 0.4 accuracy), cost 2800 credits. 

 

To do the same damage as one shot of the E3/E4 (with way less effective pen) those 76mm guns need to hit and pen 7 shots, which will cost them nearly 20000 credits. And most of those Shermans that use that gun barely go 40kph so its not like they are super fast to be able to flank.

 

Premium round cost has never made sense. 



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View PostTom_Soop, on 03 May 2020 - 09:03 AM, said:

 

Name any tank in WW2 that didnt have drawbacks?

 

Clearly all tanks had their pros and cons, but British WW2 tanks always seemed to be a couple of years too late and so obsolete as soon as they entered service.

The entire Cruiser line was poor, being under-gunned, under-armoured and unreliable.  A special mention in that line to the Covenanter, of which 1,700 were manufactured before anyone noticed that it did not work on sunny days, so it was no use for the Desert.

The Matilda was fine against the Italians, but not against the Germans, and nor were the Valentines and Churchills.

It says something about the tanks used previously by the British that it was a huge relief to start receiving the Lee.

The Cromwell and Comet would have been okay if available in 1942-43.  In 1944-45 they were a bit pointless.

We did, however, seem to have a knack for making perfectly adequate recce vehicles and artillery platforms.

 



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View Posttajj7, on 03 May 2020 - 10:32 AM, said:

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Premium round cost has never made sense. 


Thats the topic here either they lie to us stupid sheep or they don't know their own game.



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Wargaming we very gud in game balance Da comrade. Tier 7 IS stronk Rasha tank 390 alpha gold shell same (or similar..) cost as Black prince 150 alpha we very good in ammo balancing Daaaaaa. 




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