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TIGERACE007 #1 Posted 08 May 2020 - 09:40 PM

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Good video posted this evening which expels many myths surrounding the Tiger, a good watch.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBni1Nd9Ez8



BravelyRanAway #2 Posted 08 May 2020 - 10:18 PM

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That is very interesting, thanks for sharing.:great:

Based on that, I think WG should reduce the repair time on German tanks to at least half that of the others.:hiding:



Balc0ra #3 Posted 08 May 2020 - 10:20 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 08 May 2020 - 10:18 PM, said:

Based on that, I think WG should reduce the repair time on German tanks to at least half that of the others.:hiding:

 

National perks? I've always thought it would be interesting if WG did something like it. Either on tanks or on the crew. German engineering, so faster repair.



BravelyRanAway #4 Posted 08 May 2020 - 10:28 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 08 May 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

 German engineering, so faster repair.

Isn't that the problem with the history of German tanks on many military sites, tough and great at their jobs but 'over engineered' with too many parts that can go wrong, now it turns out it's all a load of hoopla, so yeah!....faster repair needed!



Ragoutrabbit #5 Posted 08 May 2020 - 10:41 PM

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The Tiger was as fast as the T-34 however they put a speed limiter on it because the drive train couldn't handle the strain.

unhappy__bunny #6 Posted 08 May 2020 - 10:49 PM

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Interesting video, but it is a video on the historical side and not a gameplay related video, so its been moved.
 

Bulldog_Drummond #7 Posted 08 May 2020 - 11:02 PM

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The girl with the dyed blonde hair in a Chinese silk dress is a real cutie

The narrator seemed a bit content free and none too intelligent, which is not uncommon in military history buffs

He is correct that most British WW2 tanks were rubbish, but comparing a Crusader with a Tiger is a bit of a stretch



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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 08 May 2020 - 10:02 PM, said:

He is correct that most British WW2 tanks were rubbish, but comparing a Crusader with a Tiger is a bit of a stretch

He was comparing maintenance schedules....not the actual tanks.:rolleyes:



Bulldog_Drummond #9 Posted 08 May 2020 - 11:11 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 08 May 2020 - 10:08 PM, said:

He was comparing maintenance schedules....not the actual tanks.:rolleyes:

 

I did spot that

However, what he actually compares is desert in-action maintenance requirements of the Crusaders with the user manual maintenance requirements of the Tiger

That is not playing fair, and I simply do not believe that a Tiger could drive 3000 miles on tracks without needing an overhaul.

As I say, the guy didn't strike me as very bright


Edited by Bulldog_Drummond, 08 May 2020 - 11:16 PM.


BravelyRanAway #10 Posted 08 May 2020 - 11:42 PM

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 08 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

 

I did spot that

However, what he actually compares is desert in-action maintenance requirements of the Crusaders with the user manual maintenance requirements of the Tiger

That is not playing fair, and I simply do not believe that a Tiger could drive 3000 miles on tracks without needing an overhaul.

As I say, the guy didn't strike me as very bright

True to a point....but a 200 mile refit is absurd for a tank(British). Yet, as he says there are no complaints about Tiger 1 maintenance from crews who actually used them....and that does speak volumes.



Bulldog_Drummond #11 Posted 09 May 2020 - 12:47 AM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 08 May 2020 - 10:42 PM, said:

True to a point....but a 200 mile refit is absurd for a tank(British). Yet, as he says there are no complaints about Tiger 1 maintenance from crews who actually used them....and that does speak volumes.

 

While the British desert tanks were rubbish, going any distance in the desert was pretty brutal.  The Germans also had a lot of breakdowns in 1941-42.  Whoever held the battlefield (usually the Germans) got to repair and re-use the duds.

The Tiger didn't appear in the desert until the Germans were locked down in the Tunis pocket in winter 1942 and on the defensive, so that meant they had to travel small distances in a cold climate.  It might have been interesting to see what the crews had to say if they had driven on tracks 1500 miles in the desert heat from Tripoli to Alamein.

I do agree with the basic point that the Tiger was fairly reliable.  But, that depended on a lot of logistical support.  The idea that it could go 3000 miles without a service is absurd.

TBH I think the guy in the video does not demonstrate an ability to put forward a reasoned and evidenced argument.  Maybe he was distracted by the blonde cutie in the Chinese silk dress

 


Edited by Bulldog_Drummond, 09 May 2020 - 12:54 AM.


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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 08 May 2020 - 11:47 PM, said:

 

 The idea that it could go 3000 miles without a service is absurd.

 

But a Sherman could go 2000 miles without one....is that believable? or not at all, because it's not British.:teethhappy:



Bulldog_Drummond #13 Posted 09 May 2020 - 08:14 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 09 May 2020 - 06:52 PM, said:

But a Sherman could go 2000 miles without one....is that believable? or not at all, because it's not British.:teethhappy:

 

No idea what the Sherman needed, but the guy in the book is conflating the mileage in the Tiger user manual for a periodic complete overhaul with Cruiser tank in action in the desert maintenance

Which if the guy is serious in his comparison suggests that he is none too bright

Tanks have always needed no end of maintenance.  One of the reasons for the controversial Dunkirk halt order is that most of the German tanks were no longer runners, and it took some days of maintenance to get them moving again.  And that was after a couple of hundred miles on French roads

And although I dare say that French roads in 1940 were nothing special, they were better than the Libyan desert

My guess is that the Shermans were pretty good compared to the dreadful British made efforts.  After all, the US Stuart was called the Honey by the British because it didn't break down all the time


Edited by Bulldog_Drummond, 09 May 2020 - 08:16 PM.


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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 09 May 2020 - 07:14 PM, said:

 

No idea what the Sherman needed, 

It's mentioned in the linked video, but then, how would someone who studied the subject know more than you...it's absurd....right?



Bulldog_Drummond #15 Posted 09 May 2020 - 08:30 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 09 May 2020 - 07:27 PM, said:

It's mentioned in the linked video, but then, how would someone who studied the subject know more than you...it's absurd....right?

 

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