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DaGGer1 #1 Posted 09 May 2020 - 03:34 PM

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Dear WG Dev team

 

I have played this game since I joined it in 2011. I don't usually post on Forums as they are never listened to by the gaming companies.

 

But, since you have introduced the wheeled vehicles into the game, without the foresight of proper testing. I truly believe the ability to passive spot is out the window, what is the point of the camouflage skill now? You require us to spot vehicles for our allies to hit, but, you can never hide and spot. Also, Tank destroyers are now being forced to play as heavies, and lights are having to play as mediums. 

 

I have spent a lot of money on the game, but I am now growing to hate the game I loved and enjoyed. You have taken away the enjoyment for me anyway.

 

If you have no inclination to sort this out, then at least alter the campaign missions to make them doable again.

 

I fear though, that this will be ignored, as every other post on the subject gets ignored. 

 

Thanks for ruining the game.

 

 



saxsan4 #2 Posted 09 May 2020 - 03:40 PM

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I like the cars, finally active spotting is back 

Galan7891 #3 Posted 09 May 2020 - 03:54 PM

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The missions are doable even with tracked LTs.And passive spotting is possible still.

_Pacfren #4 Posted 09 May 2020 - 04:33 PM

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They will delete this topic just like all other topics about WV cars, also they dont answer to my tickets but its ok,everything is fine .

Galan7891 #5 Posted 09 May 2020 - 04:40 PM

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View Post_Pacfren, on 09 May 2020 - 04:33 PM, said:

They will delete this topic just like all other topics about WV cars, also they dont answer to my tickets but its ok,everything is fine .


Considering that propably you are trying to convince them that you are better at doing their job than they are in your tickets it would be a surprise if they would answer...



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View PostGalan7891, on 09 May 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:


Considering that propably you are trying to convince them that you are better at doing their job than they are in your tickets it would be a surprise if they would answer...

pro :child:



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just like IRL

tajj7 #8 Posted 09 May 2020 - 07:33 PM

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I've literally seen videos of like Manticores and T-100 lts spotting 10k plus against EBRs.

 

EBRs have amongst the worse view ranges in the game, if they outspot you in a bush, then you've done something wrong as you will see them coming and can react accordingly. 


What WVs have done is challenge LAZY passive spotting and LAZY campers who think just because they have one of the absurd camo 1.0 bushes they are immune to getting spotted. 

 

And OP clearly you are one of those lazy players and it's a clear learn to play problem, you have 40-45% WRs in most of you higher tier lights, some of them have sub 40%, and your WR generally at tiers 7-10 is LESS than 44%.

 

Don't blame the game when you clearly have no idea what you are doing. 



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View Postsaxsan4, on 09 May 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:

I like the cars, finally active spotting is back 

Back?

It never left, it's just got stupid.



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View Post_Pacfren, on 09 May 2020 - 04:33 PM, said:

They will delete this topic just like all other topics about WV cars, also they dont answer to my tickets but its ok,everything is fine .

 

Because there's a dedicated thread for it. http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/732037-the-big-wv-wheeled-vehicles-discussion-thread/

 

Also, support tickets are not meant for feedback, the forum is...



Objec7 #11 Posted 09 May 2020 - 07:48 PM

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View PostDaGGer1, on 09 May 2020 - 03:34 PM, said:

Dear WG Dev team

 

I have played this game since I joined it in 2011. I don't usually post on Forums as they are never listened to by the gaming companies.

 

But, since you have introduced the wheeled vehicles into the game, without the foresight of proper testing. I truly believe the ability to passive spot is out the window, what is the point of the camouflage skill now? You require us to spot vehicles for our allies to hit, but, you can never hide and spot. Also, Tank destroyers are now being forced to play as heavies, and lights are having to play as mediums. 

 

I have spent a lot of money on the game, but I am now growing to hate the game I loved and enjoyed. You have taken away the enjoyment for me anyway.

 

If you have no inclination to sort this out, then at least alter the campaign missions to make them doable again.

 

I fear though, that this will be ignored, as every other post on the subject gets ignored. 

 

Thanks for ruining the game.

 

 

WG is already planning a nerf on wheeled vehicles, it will just take some time. Biggest problem is 5 EBR games etc. mm problems, max 2 to 3 lights/team would be nice and max 1 ebr/team.



24doom24 #12 Posted 09 May 2020 - 11:46 PM

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chessstud #13 Posted 10 May 2020 - 12:02 AM

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Yeah it's terrible. All my light tanks now tier 8 and above are useless. Wargaming is just digging their own grave with these stupid ideas. Does anyone in their team actually play the game?

VsUK #14 Posted 10 May 2020 - 12:15 AM

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I'd still love to know how a direct side hit on an EBR 105 by a Grill twice can fail to pen & then just critical. It's almost like WG deliberately made them broke just to unbalance the game. 
I got a bit of stick for suggesting we bring back the WT Auf E100. People saying it was broken & therefor shouldn't be brought back. Well, the EBR's are worse. Yes they may not deal the damage, but they basically end the game early for heavy's & TD's on open maps like Live Oaks or Malinovka.

Also, I fail to see the comparison between a T49 & an EBR!

Hyina #15 Posted 10 May 2020 - 12:23 AM

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I wouldn't say they have made passive spotting reduntant, there is still a niche but small than it used to be. The main problem is they can aggresively light up an entire group of enemy tanks, which if not dealt with straight away, can cause the game to be pretty much won/lost from the very first minute. Live Oaks or Highway is a great example. It doesn't matter if it won't affect you, but because of the random nature of well, Randoms, 1/3 of your team will die and then you've pretty much lost.

 

The EBR 105 and the premium T8 version are the 2 that really need to be nerfed, the rest are all fine imo.


Edited by Hyina, 10 May 2020 - 12:25 AM.


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My 13 90 have no issues doing passive rounds with EBR's with some changes to my style. You just gotta watch your approach more vs the usual "yolo" angle that might spot you going up. As my 13 90 can still lit up a lane behind a bush, even with a wheelie driving past it at 120m or so. As depending on the wheel tier, they don't have an amazing view range on the move to counter high camo always.

 

But if you keep going the same way as always. They will lit you up before you get there. On Prokhorovka on the 1 lane, you wait until the crosses the middle and goes towards the railway before you push that F1 bush. As if you do it when he is close to the road. He will spot you way before you even get close to it as he gets there before you. On most maps, small changes like that are enough to get started, with a smaller delay vs usual. So you might not always get that early crossing fire.



Pansenmann #17 Posted 10 May 2020 - 12:36 AM

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yeah, passive spotting is no more

or not?

 

I would say this game proves it is definately not.
http://wotreplays.eu/site/5369987#lakeville-pansenmann-amx_13_57_gf

 



kaneloon #18 Posted 10 May 2020 - 02:43 AM

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There was no EBR, and the 13 57 is a very potent tank.

It's when you start with 2 EBR each side that the game is down the drain if you have the worst EBR.



tajj7 #19 Posted 10 May 2020 - 07:21 AM

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View Postkaneloon, on 10 May 2020 - 01:43 AM, said:

There was no EBR, and the 13 57 is a very potent tank.

It's when you start with 2 EBR each side that the game is down the drain if you have the worst EBR.

 

Which is no different from who has the best light player on a spotting map.

 

EBRs are close to irrelevant on corridor/city maps like Abbey, Ensk, Himmelsdorf etc. and tracked lights can easily out play them on spotting maps.

 

The whole light vs WV thing is a big fuss about nothing, if you know how to play lights you can do fine. It's like people have forgotten that light tanks yolo all the time and have for years, if you go contest a forward bush you have to anticipate someone will try to spot you there and they might do so recklessly. Yes WVs are faster, but their VW is much worse, so the end difference is pretty minimal when an enemy light yoloing forward will spot you on the move way earlier. 

 

Playing lights on maps that actually suit lights, the first thing you have to do is beat the enemy light, be it WV or tracked it doesn't really matter, if you go to some forward exposed bush without a safe exit and get spotted and wrecked because the enemy light yoloed, well you played badly, but people suddenly start blaming the game because the a WV does the exact same? It's complete nonsense. 

 

It's because most people are terrible at light tanks and the only way they can actually have a good game is going to some powerful bush and sitting in it with binos and camo net, hoping the enemy just drives towards you and if that doesn't work they are clueless. Bad light tank players rush for the E1 bush on Prohk, get spotted on the way or proxy spotted by a yolo, die and then let their team down. Smart light tank players play more cautiously, take further back bushes initially, out spot the enemy lights, get them lit up and then killed, then can move up more safely.  

 

Passive spotting is very far from dead, it's just not as idiot proof as it used to be, which is a good thing. 


Edited by tajj7, 10 May 2020 - 07:22 AM.


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Edited by 24doom24, 10 May 2020 - 12:35 PM.





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