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Tankistu #1 Posted 10 May 2020 - 08:41 AM

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Tier 10 is complete [edited]. In a non-city map whoever's ebrs stay don't suicide in the first 2 minutes of the battle will win.

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View PostTankistu, on 10 May 2020 - 08:41 AM, said:

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If they're so OP, why did 3 of them have next-to-no impact in battle, and one have an average score? The top one clearly had a good game, they knew what they were doing.



DiMtopia #4 Posted 10 May 2020 - 09:08 AM

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 10 May 2020 - 09:46 AM, said:

 

If they're so OP, why did 3 of them have next-to-no impact in battle, and one have an average score? The top one clearly had a good game, they knew what they were doing.

 

even if their xp is bad it doesn't necessarily mean their impact wasn't a good one.

 

case in point ebr90 on malinovka started roaming the field straight from the start. all their team stayed in base to try and snipe him while our team won the highground :izmena:

he got less than 1k spotting because the few people that stayed in base either missed or didn't have enough pen to do damage but he was so agile it took their team a lot of time to finally kill him.

he basically won the game for us while being one of the bottom 5 in terms of xp.



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View PostDiMtopia, on 10 May 2020 - 09:08 AM, said:

 

even if their xp is bad it doesn't necessarily mean their impact wasn't a good one.

 

case in point ebr90 on malinovka started roaming the field straight from the start. all their team stayed in base to try and snipe him while our team won the highground :izmena:

he got less than 1k spotting because the few people that stayed in base either missed or didn't have enough pen to do damage but he was so agile it took their team a lot of time to finally kill him.

he basically won the game for us while being one of the bottom 5 in terms of xp.

 

So is it the EBR being broken, or the players being unsure of their priorities?

 

He distracted them. They let themselves get distracted. The EBR did its job, the enemy fell for the bait, and rightfully lost because of it.

 

So I ask again, is it the EBR's fault, or the enemy's?



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 10 May 2020 - 10:19 AM, said:

 

So is it the EBR being broken, or the players being unsure of their priorities?

 

He distracted them. They let themselves get distracted. The EBR did its job, the enemy fell for the bait, and rightfully lost because of it.

 

So I ask again, is it the EBR's fault, or the enemy's?


I blame bad game design. Try similar thing with normal light tank and see how long you're alive.

 

Wheeled crap need some adjustment to agility. How in edited you can run zigzag and circle enemies like there is no G-force affecting you. Also hitboxes need some fine tuning.

 

Someone would also think what's the point having such things in tank game anyway.



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I find it odd you hide the other types of tanks, bet there was some reproduction there that you didn't want to show and the tank that did best as well, confirmation bias is strong.

 

Of the most played tanks on tier 10 over the last 4 weeks, it's 6th. Behind the 430U by nearly 2.5k, I don't see anyone calling the game 'World of 430Us' though.

 

Also because of TOTT, there have been nearly twice as many 60tps played than EBRs, yet you produce this screenshot.

 

I am sure loads of us could produce games where there are 5 or more of one tank on one team in a game, but it's pretty meaningless. 


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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 10 May 2020 - 10:19 AM, said:

 

So is it the EBR being broken, or the players being unsure of their priorities?

 

He distracted them. They let themselves get distracted. The EBR did its job, the enemy fell for the bait, and rightfully lost because of it.

 

So I ask again, is it the EBR's fault, or the enemy's?

 

with any other light tank he couldn't have done what he did.

the speed and maneuverability of that tank allowed it to stay alive and dodge so many bullets. that makes it OP.

 

the fact that enemies were also stupid is irrelevant



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View PostDiMtopia, on 10 May 2020 - 08:31 AM, said:

 

with any other light tank he couldn't have done what he did.

the speed and maneuverability of that tank allowed it to stay alive and dodge so many bullets. that makes it OP.

 

the fact that enemies were also stupid is irrelevant

 

Except it's not OP.

 

EBRs expose bad play and bad players, that is exactly how the game should work, if people can't take sensible routes to positions, can't use light tanks without yoloing to some bush to sit like an idiot in it, give up moving to positions to just shoot one tank etc. etc. then they deserve to die and do badly.

 

Also it's hardly like what you describe doesn't happen to lights, in fact often on Malinovka lights will light up a few enemy base campers who hide behind the buildings and half the enemy team won't do anything but sit there uselessly trying to shot them and completely surrender the map. That happens all the time and it has nothing to do with EBRs, that is just bad play. 

 

If people sit in base trying to kill one spotter and surrender the whole map, that is not a balance problem, that is a bad team, bad teams in WOTs are nothing new. 



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View PostDiMtopia, on 10 May 2020 - 09:31 AM, said:

with any other light tank he couldn't have done what he did.

the speed and maneuverability of that tank allowed it to stay alive and dodge so many bullets. that makes it OP.

 

That's the class's main feature, their main strongpoint. That is their purpose, fast scouting, distractions. That doesn't make them OP.

 

Other things such as turn-on-a-dime physics and knocked out wheels not slowing them down enough, that's something you could argue is broken/OP.

 

View PostDiMtopia, on 10 May 2020 - 09:31 AM, said:

the fact that enemies were also stupid is irrelevant

 

Turns out, in the battle you described, it sure was relevant.



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View Posttajj7, on 10 May 2020 - 10:30 AM, said:

I find it odd you hide the other types of tanks, bet there was some reproduction there that you didn't want to show and the tank that did best as well, confirmation bias is strong.

 

Of the most played tanks on tier 10 over the last 4 weeks, it's 6th. Behind the 430U by nearly 2.5k, I don't see anyone calling the game 'World of 430Us' though.

 

Also because of TOTT, there have been nearly twice as many 60tps played than EBRs, yet you produce this screenshot.

 

I am sure loads of us could produce games where there are 5 or more of one tank on one team in a game, but it's pretty meaningless. 

 

Perhaps people don't find 430U and 60TP as problematic as wheelies ? Atleast they don't run amok and make physics-defying stunts. Or if they do they're dead quick enough.

 

If some all-day playing NEET says "I have no problem hitting those", some of us more casual gamers (and guess some non-casual too) do. Or atleast with my rng hitting something that runs 80km/h + and making 90 degree turns on spot without bleeding speed reliably is hardish. Not to mentioning if you manage to hit it it usually is "critical hit" what doesn't even affect it.



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View Posttajj7, on 10 May 2020 - 10:35 AM, said:

 

Except it's not OP.

 

EBRs expose bad play and bad players, that is exactly how the game should work, if people can't take sensible routes to positions, can't use light tanks without yoloing to some bush to sit like an idiot in it, give up moving to positions to just shoot one tank etc. etc. then they deserve to die and do badly.

 

lol, by your logic:

 

279e is not OP, it just exposes bad players, it's just how the game should work. if people can't take sensible routes and flank, or track, then it's their fault and deserve to die.



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 10 May 2020 - 08:46 AM, said:

 

If they're so OP, why did 3 of them have next-to-no impact in battle, and one have an average score? The top one clearly had a good game, they knew what they were doing.

 

Doesn't matter. More than 1 EBR and the battle become a s**tshow.



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 10 May 2020 - 10:39 AM, said:

Turns out, in the battle you described, it sure was relevant.

 

crappy players are a constant, hence it's irrelevant.

 

you can't say a tank is not op because good players can counter it. fact is most of the player base is bad. they can't aim they can't reposition they don;t use minimap.

when you design a tank you should make it to fit within the game environment which is made up of mostly bad players.



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Have you tried the pinned EBR thread yet?

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View PostMakotti, on 10 May 2020 - 08:43 AM, said:

 

Perhaps people don't find 430U and 60TP as problematic as wheelies ? Atleast they don't run amok and make physics-defying stunts. Or if they do they're dead quick enough.

 

If some all-day playing NEET says "I have no problem hitting those", some of us more casual gamers (and guess some non-casual too) do. Or atleast with my rng hitting something that runs 80km/h + and making 90 degree turns on spot without bleeding speed reliably is hardish. Not to mentioning if you manage to hit it it usually is "critical hit" what doesn't even affect it.

 

430U is way stronger than an EBR, that is a simple fact. 

 

If people have trouble hitting EBRs be less bad, the game caters to casual players far too much as it is, to it's own detriment. 

 

 

View PostDiMtopia, on 10 May 2020 - 08:44 AM, said:

 

lol, by your logic:

 

279e is not OP, it just exposes bad players, it's just how the game should work. if people can't take sensible routes and flank, or track, then it's their fault and deserve to die.

 

LOL, no your logic is just dumb.

 

You are trying to claim a tank that barely did anything 'won the game', which is nonsense. 279es consistently make people people overperform, they dominate games, even in the hands of barely above average players. EBRs do not. 

 

Trying to claim that a vehicle is OP because a load of bad players didn't leave base is literally the worst argument I have ever seen. 

 

By your 'logic' every light tank in the game is OP then because light tanks distract bad players and make them tunnel vision, which of course would be nonsense. 

 

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The EBR is not even as powerful as a Maus, let alone a 279e which is a completely different level. A 50% overall WR player in an EBR gets a 48.8% WR, the same 50% player in a 279e will get a 58% WR. 

 

Not really hard to see which one is OP and which one is not. :D

 

 


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View Posttajj7, on 10 May 2020 - 11:01 AM, said:

LOL, no your logic is just dumb.

 

hoping to have a decent conversation on a forum. boy was i stupid.

oh well, no point arguing with people like you.

have a lovely day.



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View PostDiMtopia, on 10 May 2020 - 09:10 AM, said:

 

hoping to have a decent conversation on a forum. boy was i stupid.

oh well, no point arguing with people like you.

have a lovely day.

 

You don't have an argument, hence this response. 



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View Posttajj7, on 10 May 2020 - 11:17 AM, said:

 

You don't have an argument, hence this response. 

 

i actually do, but no point sharing it with somebody that right from the start resorts to insults.

proving you're wrong would only make you throw more slurs my way and i don't want that.

so let's just leave it at that. you can even keep believing you're right for all i care.






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