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German Tier VII tanks heavy medium buff them pls

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Narxes #1 Posted 11 May 2020 - 02:29 PM

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Good day everybody.

 

I'm but a casual player I do not care about winning or losing, nor do I care much about my stats either, to be honest.

Having fun is what counts for me. With that said I can't say much good about the german medium and heavy tier 8 tanks. where is the fun ?

Far as I am concerned the german heavy and medium tanks are complete trash vs new meta tanks. (jet-powered wheeled tanks and spaghetti tanks) 

tiger II a complete joke as a heavy tank nowadays. Don't even let me get started with the panther II. 

I don't see much of them in-game any more since they aren't much competition nowadays probably.

or is it the fact that the German tanks actually are outclassed with fighting tanks from post world war II?

 

I am wondering.

Do these tanks need a serious buff, or is it just me? 

Might there be something else going on?

 

I'm curious what you guys think and feel about this. 

 

Sincerely a slightly frustrated german tank player



Fibonachi #2 Posted 11 May 2020 - 02:37 PM

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Road to Berlin ironically gives you a much more historically accurate depiction of German tanks. Much higher hp, stronger guns, fighting shermans and T-34s. The Allies did not win with superior tanks, they won with A LOT of weaker tanks (and a lot of arty / katyushas).

 

On your point on buff, WG is working on it / has done it already. They got buffed once (just a RoF buff for Tigers), now we have incoming E100 and Tiger II (I think) buffs again. Who knows when it hits live server though.

 

 

 

 


Edited by Fibonachi, 11 May 2020 - 02:39 PM.


Jin91 #3 Posted 11 May 2020 - 02:39 PM

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Russian game. What did you expect? But try VK100. 

Galan7891 #4 Posted 11 May 2020 - 02:40 PM

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Depends on how you play said vehicles.Not all HTs are brawlers and certainly not the tiger 2 as it is currently in the game.Both of those vehicles should be played as "support vehicles" staying further back and shooting .

 



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The issue is they are all a tier too high

 

Tiger, Tiger 2, Ferdinand, panther should all be a tier lower with their historical guns



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View Postsaxsan4, on 11 May 2020 - 02:52 PM, said:

The issue is they are all a tier too high

 

Tiger, Tiger 2, Ferdinand, panther should all be a tier lower with their historical guns

The premium Tiger is tier VI and premium Tiger II is tier VII. Enough said. :teethhappy:



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View PostFibonachi, on 11 May 2020 - 02:04 PM, said:

The premium Tiger is tier VI and premium Tiger II is tier VII. Enough said. :teethhappy:


yeah and they work brilliantly, the armour is in no way OP but they work like they were designed 



Dava_117 #8 Posted 11 May 2020 - 03:42 PM

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View Postsaxsan4, on 11 May 2020 - 02:52 PM, said:

The issue is they are all a tier too high

 

Tiger, Tiger 2, Ferdinand, panther should all be a tier lower with their historical guns

 

My Tiger1 is fine where it is. Even at tier 6 the armour is not reliable, but the long 88 has more chance against a tier 9 than the short 88 vs a tier 8.

 

On topic, there are some good German tanks at tier 8. As already said, try out the VK100.01P. That is a really well armoured tank. Or the Borsing is quite a nice TD. Indien Pz also got buffet and is ok. 

Then there are the premium tanks, like Lowe and Skorpion that are quite good.



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View PostDava_117, on 11 May 2020 - 02:42 PM, said:

 

My Tiger1 is fine where it is. Even at tier 6 the armour is not reliable, but the long 88 has more chance against a tier 9 than the short 88 vs a tier 8.

 

On topic, there are some good German tanks at tier 8. As already said, try out the VK100.01P. That is a really well armoured tank. Or the Borsing is quite a nice TD. Indien Pz also got buffet and is ok. 

Then there are the premium tanks, like Lowe and Skorpion that are quite good.


tiger 1 is easy to kill, if I see one of them they are first to get killed, giant, no armoured box 

 

Ht No VI si much better



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View PostFibonachi, on 11 May 2020 - 03:04 PM, said:

The premium Tiger is tier VI and premium Tiger II is tier VII. Enough said. :teethhappy:


With different guns though.Just as is the case with the Bret.Panther.They are "stock" a tier lower.



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View Postsaxsan4, on 11 May 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:


tiger 1 is easy to kill, if I see one of them they are first to get killed, giant, no armoured box 

 

Ht No VI si much better

 

Is easy to kill if the player is a common Bob that play it like a brawler, which is not. It has 2400-2500 DPM, best pen in tier and has really high view range and HP. You need to get in a good position where you can hide if need and let the gun work, aiming for tracks and for exchanging 2 shot for 1 in return. 



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View PostFibonachi, on 11 May 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Road to Berlin ironically gives you a much more historically accurate depiction of German tanks. Much higher hp, stronger guns, fighting shermans and T-34s. The Allies did not win with superior tanks, they won with A LOT of weaker tanks (and a lot of arty / katyushas).

 

On your point on buff, WG is working on it / has done it already. They got buffed once (just a RoF buff for Tigers), now we have incoming E100 and Tiger II (I think) buffs again. Who knows when it hits live server though.

 

 

 

 

 

Late war Shermans and T-34-85's could punch through the front armour of Tigers reliably though. And Panthers had serious transmission problems. The French had the option of going with Panthers after the war, since they inherited a bunch of them, but studied them and found them strategically rather useless. Armour and gun were good but the final drive was very fragile. They also had problems firing on slopes. IIRC, it could jam the turret.

 

Meanwhile the Sherman gets written off due to anecdotes of fires which are not backed up by any actual statistics and the 75 it started with being significantly inferior to the 76 (and better ammo and better suspension) that it ended with. Similarly, early model T-34's were not very impressive, but late model T-34-85's? Those are still serving in some smaller countries even today.

 



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View PostGalan7891, on 11 May 2020 - 01:40 PM, said:

Depends on how you play said vehicles.Not all HTs are brawlers and certainly not the tiger 2 as it is currently in the game.Both of those vehicles should be played as "support vehicles" staying further back and shooting .

 

 

I often think about this. Neat idea but difficult to make work on most maps, unless you fancy playing from base as a tank destroyer. 



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Just as a back up of what a Tiger1 can do:

 

http://wotreplays.eu...ava_117-tiger_i

 

Played it this afternoon. I was top tier, so had more chance to trade in end game, but you can see all the advantages of the Tiger put at work. Like the first 2 shot at the KV-2, where I spotted him with the huge VR and scored 2 penetrations before he could get in cover. I permatracked the KV-85 and get tracking assist on SuperHellcat and the Nashorn (even if the last one was pure luck as I was aiming at the center of mass due to distance).


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