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Blubba #1 Posted 13 May 2020 - 01:08 PM

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I'd like to address the issue of unplayable premium tanks.

 

I have quite a few premiums. I make a point of trying to play them but some of them are just painful. 

Sure, these pariahs are 'playable' in that you can press 'Battle' but in reality, so many of them just collect dust at the back of the garage.

CDC, A45, Type 59-Patton to name but a few. The list goes on. It's not even that they are bad tanks. It's often that they have a singular crippling weakness that makes the rest of the vehicle redundant and often it's obvious with some of these vehicles.

I know they'll never make it to FV4201 standards (nor would I want that by the way) but with just a few small tweaks, these unloved vehicles could be bought back into a semblance of usefulness.

We might actually see more of them or, assuming we own them, get to use them. After all, a bit of diversity is a good thing isn't it?

 

What do you lot think?

If you could make ONE small change to any existing premium tanks, tier 7/8, what would it be and on which tanks?

 

 

 



tank276 #2 Posted 13 May 2020 - 01:12 PM

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CDC and 59-Patton are very weak indeed.

I would put Patton Korea on the list easy, as is the case with t34-3.


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Kahega #3 Posted 13 May 2020 - 09:33 PM

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The CDC is now probably the worst premium tank. No armor (often arty shots penetrate), very bad gun handling (accuracy) even fully equipped and manned. 1v1 with any tank is automatic garage. Better aim-time would make this tank somewhat competitive (considering you paid the money for it).

drakkanax #4 Posted 13 May 2020 - 10:40 PM

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What killed many premiums was the accuracy mechanic changes from 3y ago when they lowered accuracy for all and introduced the "25%" RNG. Many tanks were playable with tradeoffs before that. Those tradeoffs fell apart with that mechanics change. I have several such vehicles that I have not played even 10 battles total in for 3 years. Coincidentally I stopped shooting gold at any long range exactly at that time for the same reason and paying money for WoT.

Bottom line if WG will add insult to injury users will react accordingly. I can't imagine how many potential long time customers they have lost to false advertisement of crap tanks. It's often better in business not to be too hasty taking early money.


Edited by drakkanax, 13 May 2020 - 10:42 PM.


saxsan4 #5 Posted 14 May 2020 - 02:00 AM

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A45 is excellent but they need to give it prefrontal mm 

DiSaBor #6 Posted 14 May 2020 - 11:08 AM

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New mindset they succesfully introduced since.... Defender, that prem tanks should be flat better



arthurwellsley #7 Posted 14 May 2020 - 12:08 PM

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I never purchased the A45, the Panther 8.8, the Type 59-Patton or the T34-3 because I could see how bad they were when they first came out. Nothing has really changed my mind.

In moments of weakness I purchased;

CDC (buff dispersion to 0.15/0.15/0.10, buff terrain resistance, buff tank traverse)

Panzer 58 (buff dispersion to 0.15/0.15/0/10, buff engine power and thus power to weight)

FCM 50t (buff dispersion to 0.17/0.17/0.10, buff terrain resistance)

 

I no longer play any of those three. I retried the Panzer 58 which had a recent buff, but it is still not decent.

FCM 50t used to be great fun, and was really good for some of the 260 set of early missions. Now I never use it.

CDC was bad at the start and now it is worse.



Galan7891 #8 Posted 14 May 2020 - 12:27 PM

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They are premiums.If they "should" not be nerfed they should not be buffed either...

arthurwellsley #9 Posted 14 May 2020 - 04:19 PM

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View PostGalan7891, on 14 May 2020 - 11:27 AM, said:

They are premiums.If they "should" not be nerfed they should not be buffed either...
Buffed since first sale;
Kanonenjadgpanzer
Panzer 58
IS6
KV-5
IS3A
T34-3
Type 59 (penetration up from 181 to 185 haha)
 



Search_Warrant #10 Posted 14 May 2020 - 05:00 PM

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Remember them Mauerbrecher buffs? oh wait nvm. they just gave up and released the VK.K, its what they do when they cant be assed buffing somet. release the same tank but upgraded.

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StronkiTonki #11 Posted 14 May 2020 - 08:12 PM

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1 word: Powercreep.

Blubba #12 Posted 14 May 2020 - 08:19 PM

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Type 59-Patton just needs a different Patton turret because the A3 is dire. A little more armour and a much smaller cupola would raise the Type to 'bearable'.

The Mauerbrecher needs a smaller cupola like the more recent German additions. 

T34 needs r/min to be a lot closer to 5.

M56 Scorpion needs faster gun traverse and a little better camo after firing.



imendars #13 Posted 15 May 2020 - 07:51 AM

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View PostBlubba, on 14 May 2020 - 10:19 PM, said:

T34 needs r/min to be a lot closer to 5

 

Yesterday i bought back my T34 and something had happened to my head - i suddenly was owning even tier 10 enemies... (with few exceptions... :hiding: )

I find that i love the tank.
Ofc if they can buff it without any nerfs than i'm all for it. :D



Gixxer66 #14 Posted 15 May 2020 - 08:48 AM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 14 May 2020 - 11:08 AM, said:

I never purchased the A45, the Panther 8.8, the Type 59-Patton or the T34-3 because I could see how bad they were when they first came out. Nothing has really changed my mind.

In moments of weakness I purchased;

CDC (buff dispersion to 0.15/0.15/0.10, buff terrain resistance, buff tank traverse)

Panzer 58 (buff dispersion to 0.15/0.15/0/10, buff engine power and thus power to weight)

FCM 50t (buff dispersion to 0.17/0.17/0.10, buff terrain resistance)

 

I no longer play any of those three. I retried the Panzer 58 which had a recent buff, but it is still not decent.

FCM 50t used to be great fun, and was really good for some of the 260 set of early missions. Now I never use it.

CDC was bad at the start and now it is worse.

 

I actually like the Panzer 58 - Engine power buff would be welcome though.

 

'59 Fatton - what can I say - it was a mistake to buy it - relegated to FL sniping when I feel the need for self punishment.

Panther 8.8 - guns reasonably OK but the platform is meh.

 

Before buffing Premiums it would be nice to have some of the older tech tree tanks looked at ( T32, Tiger I, Pershing, T-34-2, WZ120, 121, 110 come to mind )



Hamsterkicker #15 Posted 15 May 2020 - 08:59 AM

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CDC needs higher accuracy, shorter aim time and same shell velocity as M4Ravioli then at least you have a good gun on a very fragile platform that will allow you to snap shot and get in and out of cover quickly. 

 

 



Kahega #16 Posted 20 May 2020 - 12:56 PM

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View PostHamsterkicker, on 15 May 2020 - 08:59 AM, said:

CDC needs higher accuracy, shorter aim time and same shell velocity as M4Ravioli then at least you have a good gun on a very fragile platform that will allow you to snap shot and get in and out of cover quickly. 

 

 

 

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Search_Warrant #17 Posted 20 May 2020 - 03:44 PM

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CDC should just be allot better in general. it was a TD IRL i believe.

Robbie_T #18 Posted 22 May 2020 - 02:31 AM

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View PostGalan7891, on 14 May 2020 - 12:27 PM, said:

They are premiums.If they "should" not be nerfed they should not be buffed either...

PSSSTTT ther are premium tanks who got buffed in the past

-Lowe (long time ago)

-Is6 KV5 Mutant (and maybe some other pref MM tanks)

 

But the premiums the Topic maker say indeed need to be buffed to anno 2020

Also want to ad the T34 (american tier8 heavy)on that list







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