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DiMtopia #1 Posted 14 May 2020 - 01:02 PM

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i honestly am freaking tired of walkovers regardless if i'm on the winning side or not. 3-15 or 15-2 is the same. it sucks to be in a slow tank and drive forward whole game but do zero damage because your team was just too good and smashed everything before you got there. just like it's horrible for the score to be 0-7 before you even get into a position. and it's not much different for faster tanks.

i'm an average player so i can't be expected to carry a game when it's 0-7 within the first 90 seconds. heck i don't even think unicums can do that consistently.

i usually play at tier 8/9 cause that's where my grinds currently are but i'm considering putting the grinds on hold until something changes.

i would just want to find a tier where battles are more closely fought. i want scores like 15-13 or 11-15 to be a constant not an exception.

so does a magical tier like this exist?

 

 


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Uh_Oh_ #2 Posted 14 May 2020 - 01:09 PM

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I have seen roflstomps at tiers 2 to 8 in the last 2 weeks since I started playing alot more, so don't think there is any magical area to play to my knowledge.

tank276 #3 Posted 14 May 2020 - 01:13 PM

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Tier 9 is the sweetspot for me as tiers go these days.

However 0-15 or 15-3 happen here a lot too, as is true for every tier above t6 that I play.

 



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View Posttank276, on 14 May 2020 - 01:13 PM, said:

Tier 9 is the sweetspot for me as tiers go these days.

However 0-15 or 15-3 happen here a lot too, as is true for every tier above t6 that I play.

 

 

This.



Jauhesammutin #5 Posted 14 May 2020 - 01:18 PM

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View PostDiMtopia, on 14 May 2020 - 12:02 PM, said:

i honestly am freaking tired of walkovers regardless if i'm on the winning side or not. 3-15 or 15-2 is the same. it sucks to be in a slow tank and drive forward whole game but do zero damage because your team was just too good and smashed everything before you got there. just like it's horrible for the score to be 0-7 before you even get into a position. and it's not much different for faster tanks.

i'm an average player so i can't be expected to carry a game when it's 0-7 within the first 90 seconds. heck i don't even think unicums can do that consistently.

i usually play at tier 8/9 cause that's where my grinds currently are but i'm considering putting the grinds on hold until something changes.

i would just want to find a tier where battles are more closely fought. i want scores like 15-13 or 11-15 to be a constant not an exception.

so does a magical tier like this exist?

 

 

According to this topic (Statistics Matter (500 battle update)) 15-4/3/2/1/0 battles aren't that common. Less than every 5th battle is a walkover. That's pretty good in my opinion. 

Players don't want to wait for 2 minutes for you to drive into position. Don't play slow tanks if you want action. IMO a 4 minute walkover is better than 15 minute 14-14 draw.



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No tier tbh, unless you play tier 1. Triple arta and rofl stomp games happening at every tier. 

DiMtopia #7 Posted 14 May 2020 - 02:05 PM

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View PostJauhesammutin, on 14 May 2020 - 02:18 PM, said:

According to this topic (Statistics Matter (500 battle update)) 15-4/3/2/1/0 battles aren't that common. Less than every 5th battle is a walkover. That's pretty good in my opinion. 

Players don't want to wait for 2 minutes for you to drive into position. Don't play slow tanks if you want action. IMO a 4 minute walkover is better than 15 minute 14-14 draw.

 

that "statistics matter" thread is pretty much wrong because it assumes that walkovers are just the battles where one team loses between zero and 4 tanks.

 

in my opinion a 15-6 battle is also a walkover.

even more, the author only looks at final result which is absolutely wrong.

by his method if a game is 14-4 and the last remaining tank kills 2 enemies before he dies and the battle ends 15-6 then the battle is not a walkover. lol. that was a textbook walkover.

heck i've been in plenty of battles in my strv103 where the game was a clear walkover and yet i managed to farm 1k extra damage with my last few shots just because i was among the last people alive.

 

so if you take such battles into account and consider walkovers to be also games that end 15-7 for example then that 1in5 probably doubles or even triples.



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View Posttank276, on 14 May 2020 - 01:13 PM, said:

Tier 9 is the sweetspot for me as tiers go these days.

However 0-15 or 15-3 happen here a lot too, as is true for every tier above t6 that I play.

 

I 3rd this 



Jauhesammutin #9 Posted 14 May 2020 - 02:40 PM

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View PostDiMtopia, on 14 May 2020 - 01:05 PM, said:

 

that "statistics matter" thread is pretty much wrong because it assumes that walkovers are just the battles where one team loses between zero and 4 tanks.

 

in my opinion a 15-6 battle is also a walkover.

even more, the author only looks at final result which is absolutely wrong.

by his method if a game is 14-4 and the last remaining tank kills 2 enemies before he dies and the battle ends 15-6 then the battle is not a walkover. lol. that was a textbook walkover.

heck i've been in plenty of battles in my strv103 where the game was a clear walkover and yet i managed to farm 1k extra damage with my last few shots just because i was among the last people alive.

 

so if you take such battles into account and consider walkovers to be also games that end 15-7 for example then that 1in5 probably doubles or even triples.

15-8 result is something you would expect from a game, it's the average result.

15-7 or 15-6 aren't walkovers, those are normal games. 

 

I agree that the statistics aren't 100% accurate and a walkover can turn into "normal" game during the last second. But so can a fast game (14-14 in 3 minutes) turn into a 15 minute draw.



DiSaBor #10 Posted 14 May 2020 - 02:45 PM

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I used to prefer tier 9, then 7.

Now I would add tier 8 after the MM change.



DiMtopia #11 Posted 14 May 2020 - 02:57 PM

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View PostJauhesammutin, on 14 May 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:

15-8 result is something you would expect from a game, it's the average result.

15-7 or 15-6 aren't walkovers, those are normal games. 

 

I agree that the statistics aren't 100% accurate and a walkover can turn into "normal" game during the last second. But so can a fast game (14-14 in 3 minutes) turn into a 15 minute draw.

 

have you had any 15 minute draws recently?

they're what? 1 in 50 games? 1 in 100? draws are incredibly rare.

i for one can't remember the last draw i've been involved in, but i can pick at least 10 walkovers today and i've played just 24 battles.

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View Posttank276, on 14 May 2020 - 02:13 PM, said:

Tier 9 is the sweetspot for me as tiers go these days.

However 0-15 or 15-3 happen here a lot too, as is true for every tier above t6 that I play.

 


well, this kinda sucks. :(



Jauhesammutin #12 Posted 14 May 2020 - 03:08 PM

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View PostDiMtopia, on 14 May 2020 - 01:57 PM, said:

 

have you had any 15 minute draws recently?

they're what? 1 in 50 games? 1 in 100? draws are incredibly rare.

i for one can't remember the last draw i've been involved in, but i can pick at least 10 walkovers today and i've played just 24 battles.

 

That was an example. I've had 1 draw in the last 60 days (300 games). But do you think those 28 who died before the 4 minute mark think that the game was close and good or do you think they thought it as a walkover?

24 games as a sample is quite low. Maybe your next 24 games will be better and you'll get no walkovers to get the average ~20%.



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They are all the same-a total shitshow.

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View PostDiMtopia, on 14 May 2020 - 01:05 PM, said:

 

that "statistics matter" thread is pretty much wrong because it assumes that walkovers are just the battles where one team loses between zero and 4 tanks.

 

in my opinion a 15-6 battle is also a walkover.

 

so if you take such battles into account and consider walkovers to be also games that end 15-7 for example then that 1in5 probably doubles or even triples.

 

That's not an accurate definition of a walkover, a 15-6 game more likely starts at 4-4 until mistakes, luck or skill or a combination of the 3 lead to one team finishing of the other.   



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View Posttank276, on 14 May 2020 - 01:13 PM, said:

Tier 9 is the sweetspot for me as tiers go these days.

However 0-15 or 15-3 happen here a lot too, as is true for every tier above t6 that I play.

 

Recently I've had horrible teams in t9 and I get more fun from t7 ironically.



DiMtopia #16 Posted 14 May 2020 - 03:58 PM

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View PostKiller711, on 14 May 2020 - 04:34 PM, said:

 

That's not an accurate definition of a walkover, a 15-6 game more likely starts at 4-4 until mistakes, luck or skill or a combination of the 3 lead to one team finishing of the other.   

 

isn't that how all walkovers start? by a few mistakes, luck or skill combining at the same time getting one team to kill a lot of enemy tanks in rapid succession?

isn't this the textbook definition of a walkover?

 

all games start balance until all of a sudden the other team has an insurmountable lead and then it becomes a walkover. you're 4-4 thinking it's a close game and all of a sudden it's 4-8 then it ends 5-15. textbook walkover.



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9 and the 4+5 respectively with the last two equally.  9 for the gameplay and 4/5 for the WW2 aspect.  Matilda, Panzer IIIJ, T34, Sherman, etc.  IIIJ in particular for some reason.

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View PostDiMtopia, on 14 May 2020 - 03:58 PM, said:

 

isn't that how all walkovers start? by a few mistakes, luck or skill combining at the same time getting one team to kill a lot of enemy tanks in rapid succession?

isn't this the textbook definition of a walkover?

 

all games start balance until all of a sudden the other team has an insurmountable lead and then it becomes a walkover. you're 4-4 thinking it's a close game and all of a sudden it's 4-8 then it ends 5-15. textbook walkover.

Bad positioning, stupid pokes or artillery lead to a large HP advantage which can be leveraged by even the dumbest of bots, this leads to 3-4 kills and the snowball effect as the losing team gets boxed in and because of map design can't really turtle up, consolidate and win through good trades and farming unless there is a huge skill difference between the surviving players. 4-4 might not be a close game at all depending on the tanks that are still alive, remaining HP on both teams and most importantly map control and positioning. Sometimes a team can be up by 2-3 tanks at the start of the game but when you look at the map you already know it's going to be a loss unless you do something about it.



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View PostDiMtopia, on 14 May 2020 - 01:02 PM, said:

i honestly am freaking tired of walkovers regardless if i'm on the winning side or not. 3-15 or 15-2 is the same. it sucks to be in a slow tank and drive forward whole game but do zero damage because your team was just too good and smashed everything before you got there. just like it's horrible for the score to be 0-7 before you even get into a position. and it's not much different for faster tanks.

i'm an average player so i can't be expected to carry a game when it's 0-7 within the first 90 seconds. heck i don't even think unicums can do that consistently.

i usually play at tier 8/9 cause that's where my grinds currently are but i'm considering putting the grinds on hold until something changes.

i would just want to find a tier where battles are more closely fought. i want scores like 15-13 or 11-15 to be a constant not an exception.

so does a magical tier like this exist?

 

 

Tier 6 is imo the best if you find a cool tank that you like like Amx. 12t was to me. Tier 7 and tier 9 are good too. Tier 8 is just boring and tier 10 is quite painful right now because all you do is fight other tier 10 tanks including 3 clickers and ebrs in every game.



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View PostDiMtopia, on 14 May 2020 - 01:02 PM, said:

 i want scores like 15-13 or 11-15 to be a constant not an exception.

 

 

Now that is something new: a player who wants the matches to be rigged.






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