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Immensive #21 Posted 14 May 2020 - 04:36 PM

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Removed some posts for being off-topic/non constructive. If the only purpose of your post is it to be negative, then it´s not worth posting.

In condition you want to complain about the avatar of a player, then please use the report function for that and don´t start an off-topic discussion in someone else's topic.



jamielinney #22 Posted 14 May 2020 - 04:44 PM

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 14 May 2020 - 02:00 PM, said:

medium tank pushed me out of it...before calling me a "turk rat".

 

For example the OP could have said 'medium tank pushed me out of it before calling me something racist'

 

They chose to give oxygen to racial stereotyping related to an identifiable racial group. Their motivation may have been sincere, but the result was to further link rat symbolism with a nation


Edited by jamielinney, 14 May 2020 - 04:45 PM.


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View Postjamielinney, on 14 May 2020 - 04:18 PM, said:

I feel you had no need to mention the actual phrase used in your OP. You could have made your point without publishing the words used. All you have done is built on the stereotyping that exists in the game. Please remove the actual phrase.

 

Words are symbols and symbols have meaning. You started the topic on the issue of words. Therefore symbols are 'on topic'.

 

Those are not my words, so don't be offended by it. It's there purely for context.

 

If you insist on it, and provide a historical reason for why the phrase is inappropriate, I'll remove it. Otherwise, I don't see the need to remove context.

 

View Postjamielinney, on 14 May 2020 - 04:44 PM, said:

For example the OP could have said 'medium tank pushed me out of it before calling me something racist'

 

They chose to give oxygen to racial stereotyping related to an identifiable racial group. Their motivation may have been sincere, but the result was to further link rat symbolism with a nation

 

So there is a historical reason? You win, removal in progress removed.


Edited by NekoPuffer_PPP, 14 May 2020 - 04:49 PM.


BravelyRanAway #24 Posted 14 May 2020 - 04:53 PM

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View PostLethalWalou, on 14 May 2020 - 03:26 PM, said:

 

Unfortunately the forums tend to do this. It's always the same ''oh why you're so sensitive''. When I play a pixel tank game (or frankly do anything) and have fun, I'd rather not have someone be toxic and try to ruin that fun on purpose. What happened to you falls into that category and unfortunately whenever this kind of thing is brought up on the forums and talked against, people will be attacked and shamed. Apparently some like to be abused on daily basis cause they ''don't give a duck'' about it, but they give awfully lot of ducks when someone is trying to speak against that behaviour. It's quite interesting that talking against toxicity is being silenced when you think about it.

That's why I suggest to 'report and move on', support do a good job on racist issues in game, you just need to send the replay with a time-stamp of the incident.

Changing names to be more 'English' is a lot of work and won't solve the problem as some English words/names or similar can have different meanings in different languages of which there are many in Europe.

As racism/name-calling/pushing is already a problem regardless of the anonymizer to people with national associated names, it should be dealt with in the same way and perhaps it will help sort out such players who abuse others....faster, as they will get more reports against them.



jamielinney #25 Posted 14 May 2020 - 04:53 PM

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 14 May 2020 - 04:47 PM, said:

Those are not my words, so don't be offended by it.

 

Why would I be offended? Did I say I was offended? I just find it odd that you would virtue signal something whilst at the same time giving oxygen to hate speak.

 

View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 14 May 2020 - 04:47 PM, said:

So there is a historical reason? You win, removal in progress.

 

Of course there's no historical reason. You could have told me to sod off.

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 14 May 2020 - 02:00 PM, said:

before calling me something which is offensive for the turkish

 

Do you feel you speak on behalf of the Turkish nation?

 

If you're going to virtue signal then wouldn't it be safer to say "potentially offensive to people who self-identify as Turkish either culturally or as their nationality?"



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View Postjamielinney, on 14 May 2020 - 04:53 PM, said:

Why would I be offended? Did I say I was offended? I just find it odd that you would virtue signal something whilst at the same time giving oxygen to hate speak.

 

 

Of course there's no historical reason. You could have told me to sod off.

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Do you feel you speak on behalf of the Turkish nation?

 

If you're going to virtue signal then wouldn't it be safer to say "potentially offensive to people who self-identify as Turkish either culturally or as their nationality?"

 

Give it a rest already, you're splitting hairs, I removed the phrase.



LethalWalou #27 Posted 14 May 2020 - 05:07 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 14 May 2020 - 03:53 PM, said:

That's why I suggest to 'report and move on', support do a good job on racist issues in game, you just need to send the replay with a time-stamp of the incident.

Changing names to be more 'English' is a lot of work and won't solve the problem as some English words/names or similar can have different meanings in different languages of which there are many in Europe.

As racism/name-calling/pushing is already a problem regardless of the anonymizer to people with national associated names, it should be dealt with in the same way and perhaps it will help sort out such players who abuse others....faster, as they will get more reports against them.

 

Reportin is exactly what people should do. But It's not bad if the toxicity is spoken against once in a while. The problem is that speaking against it is not tolerated by the "community" and it will be shamed.



jamielinney #28 Posted 14 May 2020 - 05:07 PM

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 14 May 2020 - 05:02 PM, said:

 

Give it a rest already, you're splitting hairs, I removed the phrase.

 

It's a new hair. You now feel justified in speaking on behalf of an entire nation. This moves from virtue signalling to cultural appropriation. Unless you do self-identify as Turkish of course?



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View Postjamielinney, on 14 May 2020 - 04:07 PM, said:

 

This moves from virtue signalling to cultural appropriation.

Let's not start that silly nonsense.



LethalWalou #30 Posted 14 May 2020 - 05:13 PM

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 14 May 2020 - 04:02 PM, said:

 

Give it a rest already, you're splitting hairs, I removed the phrase.

 

Friendly tip; I recommend to not get into it. 


Edited by LethalWalou, 14 May 2020 - 05:14 PM.


jamielinney #31 Posted 14 May 2020 - 05:16 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 14 May 2020 - 05:12 PM, said:

Let's not start that silly nonsense.

 

As if cultural appropriation isn't bad enough, there's no need to move to cultural oppression.



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don't use the anonymizer \o/ problem solved 

BravelyRanAway #33 Posted 14 May 2020 - 05:19 PM

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View Postjamielinney, on 14 May 2020 - 04:16 PM, said:

 

As if cultural appropriation isn't bad enough, there's no need to move to cultural oppression.

I think you are starting to signal now.



LethalWalou #34 Posted 14 May 2020 - 05:23 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 14 May 2020 - 04:19 PM, said:

I think you are starting to signal now.

 

Although his comments do have a long and wide range of topics in them



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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 14 May 2020 - 05:19 PM, said:

I think you are starting to signal now.

 

It's just sad that people feel the need to put down cultural appropriation as 'silly nonsense'. *edited*

 

Perhaps be a little more tolerant of the cultures of others.


Edited by Immensive, 15 May 2020 - 07:32 PM.
Edited for being political


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View Postjamielinney, on 14 May 2020 - 04:24 PM, said:

It's just sad that people feel the need to put down cultural appropriation as 'silly nonsense'. *edited*

Perhaps be a little more tolerant of the cultures of others.

Godwin's Law raises it's head yet again. Well done!



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View Postjamielinney, on 14 May 2020 - 05:24 PM, said:

 

It's just sad that people feel the need to put down cultural appropriation as 'silly nonsense'.*edited*

 

Perhaps be a little more tolerant of the cultures of others.

Man, this is a pixel tonk forum. I rather discuss tanks, tactics and such things than your 'sensitive' bs.



xtrem3x #38 Posted 14 May 2020 - 06:06 PM

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Has this thread caused you more grief then when you were pushed out of the bush and called a name?

 

If so, good. Imagine how full the forum would be if everybody who was pushed out of a bush and/or called a name came here to start a thread about it :facepalm:

 



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View PostEchotun, on 14 May 2020 - 02:40 PM, said:


If you are getting offended by people making fun of your fake randomized ID, then you need to put away your comfort quilt and go see a specialist. 

upgrade your reading skills

 

the anon tool .. generated a name that was actually an offensive slur in a foreign language.



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View Postsmokeytheband1t, on 14 May 2020 - 06:10 PM, said:

upgrade your reading skills

 

the anon tool .. generated a name that was actually an offensive slur in a foreign language.

 

That's not the case, either!

 

The username had a Turkish name...a player on my team read it, pushed me out of a bush, and then insulted it.

 

The problem in question is the bush-pushing and harassment due to a name, which was chosen randomly by the anonymizer. Nothing would've happened if my anonymizer was off.

 

This has nothing to do with me personally. It's an issue indirectly caused by the anonymizer. I was not offended, but I was affected by the situation (pushed into enemy fire) which was caused by the combination of the anonymizer and one angry individual.







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