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EBR 105 Blocking Damage

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ArsenalTank #1 Posted 15 May 2020 - 02:16 PM

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What is the Logic behind that?

a Wheel can Blocking 120mm gun hit like it's never happened? not even a Critical Hit?

any military Expert or Physicalist here to explain please?

 

this single blocked damage has changed the game from +50% win to a 100%  Lose. As he managend to escap in Map like Sand River and killed our Arties and then sniping our heavies from +450 meter. or spotting us with +90 km/h Speed in a pure sandy surface.

 

Result:

We: Back to the Garage.

EBR: lets troll another Game.

Wargaming: this game needs another 279'e' lets do obj 280.

 

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You hit the wheel in a part with no actual tank behind it. Simple aiming error.

 

Pretty much the same thing that always happen, it also happens if you shoot a Churchill tank in the front of the tracks from the side, good chance the shell will do no damage as there is no actual tank behind it.

 

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Jauhesammutin #4 Posted 15 May 2020 - 02:23 PM

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View PostArsenalTank, on 15 May 2020 - 01:16 PM, said:

What is the Logic behind that?

a Wheel can Blocking 120mm gun hit like it's never happened? not even a Critical Hit?

any military Expert or Physicalist here to explain please?

 

this single blocked damage has changed the game from +50% win to a 100%  Lose. As he managend to escap in Map like Sand River and killed our Arties and then sniping our heavies from +450 meter. or spotting us with +90 km/h Speed in a pure sandy surface.

 

Result:

We: Back to the Garage.

EBR: lets troll another Game.

Wargaming: this game needs another 279'e' lets do obj 280.

 

 

The wheels work just like any spaced armor in the game. They only "block" HE/HESH and HEAT shells.

https://youtu.be/qyRxwa81ucc



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View PostArsenalTank, on 15 May 2020 - 02:16 PM, said:

this single blocked damage has changed the game from +50% win to a 100%  Lose. As he managend to escap in Map like Sand River and killed our Arties and then sniping our heavies from +450 meter. or spotting us with +90 km/h Speed in a pure sandy surface.

 

Should have aimed a bit better then. 



LethalWalou #6 Posted 15 May 2020 - 02:26 PM

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View PostArsenalTank, on 15 May 2020 - 01:16 PM, said:

What is the Logic behind that?

a Wheel can Blocking 120mm gun hit like it's never happened? not even a Critical Hit?

any military Expert or Physicalist here to explain please?

 

this single blocked damage has changed the game from +50% win to a 100%  Lose. As he managend to escap in Map like Sand River and killed our Arties and then sniping our heavies from +450 meter. or spotting us with +90 km/h Speed in a pure sandy surface.

 

Result:

We: Back to the Garage.

EBR: lets troll another Game.

Wargaming: this game needs another 279'e' lets do obj 280.

 

 

You do realise that your screen shot is YOU blocking the shot from EBR, not the other way around. Your alpha damage is not 390 in T34, it's 400. Care to share the replay so we can see what actually happened because what did not happen is what you describe.



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View PostCobra6, on 15 May 2020 - 02:22 PM, said:

Simple aiming error.

 

Can I genuinely and respectfully laugh at that? :B

 

View PostCobra6, on 15 May 2020 - 02:22 PM, said:

Pretty much the same thing that always happen, it also happens if you shoot a Churchill tank in the front of the tracks from the side, good chance the shell will do no damage as there is no actual tank behind it.

 

But the Churchill:

View PostArsenalTank, on 15 May 2020 - 02:16 PM, said:

Result:

Back to the Garage.

 

While the ebr:

View PostArsenalTank, on 15 May 2020 - 02:16 PM, said:

killed our Arties and then sniping our heavies from +450 meter. or spotting us with +90 km/h Speed in a pure sandy surface.

 

 

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Edited by Thejagdpanther, 15 May 2020 - 02:28 PM.


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View PostCobra6, on 15 May 2020 - 02:22 PM, said:

You hit the wheel in a part with no actual tank behind it. Simple aiming error.

 

Pretty much the same thing that always happen, it also happens if you shoot a Churchill tank in the front of the tracks from the side, good chance the shell will do no damage as there is no actual tank behind it.

 

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Aiming error vs F1 car, OK KEKW

 

Just aim better next time at 90km/h F1 car and oh to make things better I will add 25% RNG on accuracy.

 

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Jauhesammutin #9 Posted 15 May 2020 - 02:35 PM

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View PostShadowiko, on 15 May 2020 - 01:28 PM, said:

Aiming error vs F1 car, OK KEKW

 

Just aim better next time at 90km/h F1 car and oh to make things better I will add 25% RNG on accuracy.

 

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Accuracy doesn't have 25% RNG.



DiSaBor #10 Posted 15 May 2020 - 02:39 PM

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They forgot to put a hitbox to EBRs I guess...

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Jokes aside

For the EBR 75, here is what you see:

1.PNG

 

Here is who the game sees it (hitbox)

2.PNG

 

I do think they should have included the "wheel skirt" in the hitbox. Because the combination of speed, agility and small size makes it really hard to hit.

(Plus the tier 8 premium has 350 alpha, smaller than tier 10, same DPM as the tier 10, faces tier 6 and is matched against things like HWK 12) 

Capture.PNG

 

Because... Let's not forget about him

4.PNG

 

 

 


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Galan7891 #11 Posted 15 May 2020 - 02:44 PM

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View PostArsenalTank, on 15 May 2020 - 02:16 PM, said:

What is the Logic behind that?

a Wheel can Blocking 120mm gun hit like it's never happened? not even a Critical Hit?

any military Expert or Physicalist here to explain please?

 

this single blocked damage has changed the game from +50% win to a 100%  Lose. As he managend to escap in Map like Sand River and killed our Arties and then sniping our heavies from +450 meter. or spotting us with +90 km/h Speed in a pure sandy surface.

 

Result:

We: Back to the Garage.

EBR: lets troll another Game.

Wargaming: this game needs another 279'e' lets do obj 280.

 

Ebr 105/90/75 have parts with 40mm armor.Which means you cannot overmatch it with 120mm gun.And that means that under certain angles richochets and stuff will happen in addition to what other have said regarding hitbox and wheels.

 



ArsenalTank #12 Posted 15 May 2020 - 02:47 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 15 May 2020 - 02:26 PM, said:

 

Should have aimed a bit better then. 

 

You serious ?

try to aim a 20 pixel thing driving arround with max in game speed using this gun.

and tell me how successful you have been.

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View PostJauhesammutin, on 15 May 2020 - 02:23 PM, said:

 

They only "block" HE/HESH and HEAT shells.

 

 

no it blocked normal AP rounds too see the gun.

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Mimos_A #13 Posted 15 May 2020 - 02:52 PM

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I did a test with a clanmate in a training room the other day. People complaining the wheels block damage should just try it as well.

 

If you shoot through the wheels straight from the front, it damages the entire row of wheels. Showing that the wheels don't block anything, otherwise only the first wheel would be damaged. Same goes for shooting a wheel with nothing behind it straight from the side: it damages the wheel on the other side as well.

 

(Also, trying to drive with two full rows of damage gives you a whopping 1km/h top speed, in case anyone is curious ;) )

 

Whether or not the hitbox should be adjusted is another topic, but the myth of wheels blocking damage is just bogus.


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Galan7891 #14 Posted 15 May 2020 - 02:53 PM

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View PostArsenalTank, on 15 May 2020 - 02:47 PM, said:

 

You serious ?

try to aim a 20 pixel thing driving arround with max in game speed using this gun.

and tell me how successful you have been.

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no it blocked normal AP rounds too see the gun.


It is still possible to hit even with that gun.I mean if an IS-2(chinese) can hit an ebr 75 (not reliably ) so can a T34.Also what about the rest of the team?



Jauhesammutin #15 Posted 15 May 2020 - 02:54 PM

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View PostArsenalTank, on 15 May 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

 

You serious ?

try to aim a 20 pixel thing driving arround with max in game speed using this gun.

and tell me how successful you have been.

13:49 Added after 2 minute

 

no it blocked normal AP rounds too see the gun.

I'm talking about the wheels. Watch the video I posted. 85mm AP round with 144mm of pen doesn't have any problems penning EBR's wheels. T 34's 120mm AP doesn't have any problems either.



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They Block because they are poorly implemented into this game that has Zero place for them. 

 

Just go to YT and watch WOT Funnies and watch them leap and pirouette and roll down hills without taking damage. 

 

Just BS tanks 



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View PostMimos_A, on 15 May 2020 - 02:52 PM, said:

 

Whether or not the hitbox should be adjusted is another topic, but the myth of wheels blocking damage is just bogus.

Both topics are linked.

Compared to tanks, WVs have, let's say, a much bigger wheel/hull surface ratio.

This causes more wheel only hits to WVs than track only hits to an average tank.



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View PostJauhesammutin, on 15 May 2020 - 01:23 PM, said:

 

The wheels work just like any spaced armor in the game. They only "block" HE/HESH and HEAT shells.

https://youtu.be/qyRxwa81ucc

 

Slight correction is that they do not block or absorb HEAT shells. The distance between the wheels and hull hit box is so low that even a tier 3, 75mm pen (not caliber) HEAT shell doesn't lose enough pen to not be able to pen.

 



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View PostCeeb, on 15 May 2020 - 02:55 PM, said:

They Block because they are poorly implemented into this game that has Zero place for them. 

 

Just go to YT and watch WOT Funnies and watch them leap and pirouette and roll down hills without taking damage. 

 

Just BS tanks 


Why does an LT432 block?Or a T54lwt?A t100lt?



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View PostMimos_A, on 15 May 2020 - 01:52 PM, said:

(Also, trying to drive with two full rows of damage gives you a whopping 1km/h top speed, in case anyone is curious 

 

Also when both front wheels get damage, you lose the ability to steer, which was a nice little surprise I experienced in the early days of playing WVs. :D






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