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Metalsniper #1 Posted 16 May 2020 - 10:42 PM

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Anyone else been having really bad rng? Ghost shells? Hit box issues where by you hide before they shoot and it still hits you? Well, I have, and maybe this is the worst I have witnessed today: 

 

 

So every time I think about renewing my premium, or getting something new. I remember these times and say.....no.


Edited by Metalsniper, 16 May 2020 - 10:44 PM.


LethalWalou #2 Posted 16 May 2020 - 11:49 PM

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Ghost shells and latency related issues are part of online gaming. For a past few days I've been visiting my old favorite, Battlefield: Bad Company 2. I have now been hit or killed behind a corner for quite a few times and it honestly doesn't matter. It makes me remember that it's all part of the online gaming. You just need to accept the facts and live with them, otherwise stop playing online games.

RNG is RNG, it giveth and it taketh away. I can guarantee that your ''bad RNG'' is just feels because you will automatically ignore and not even think about how much good RNG you have gotten when enemies for example miss you or your pen and alpha roll high. You only focus on the negative stuff, that's confirmation bias for you. Again, you need to accept that it's part of the game and both good and bad things will happen, otherwise stop playing WoT.



Immensive #3 Posted 16 May 2020 - 11:50 PM

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Only half the aimcircle was on the lower hull. Shell just missed.

The red outline was kind of unclear tho.


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Metalsniper #4 Posted 16 May 2020 - 11:55 PM

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View PostImmensive, on 16 May 2020 - 11:50 PM, said:

Only half the aimcircle was on the lower hull. Shell just missed.

The red outline was kind of unclear tho.

Way more than half was on the tank. Pause it at the correct moment. Further more when he reverses his tank you can see where the shell landed, and it was impossible for it to get there unless it went through the tank



LethalWalou #5 Posted 17 May 2020 - 12:02 AM

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View PostMetalsniper, on 16 May 2020 - 10:55 PM, said:

Way more than half was on the tank. Pause it at the correct moment. Further more when he reverses his tank you can see where the shell landed, and it was impossible for it to get there unless it went through the tank

 

Why not give us the raw replay file so we can see what happened without all the unnecessary explosions and smoke seen on the video. The shot in reality just missed the enemy tank and it can easily hit there without going through the tank. From a replay file we could show you that, otherwise you won't unfortunately believe.



qpranger #6 Posted 17 May 2020 - 12:04 AM

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"Aim circle" - the travesty at the root of mass frustration with WOT.

Homer_J #7 Posted 17 May 2020 - 12:09 AM

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View PostMetalsniper, on 16 May 2020 - 10:42 PM, said:

Anyone else been having really bad rng? Ghost shells? Hit box issues where by you hide before they shoot and it still hits you? Well, I have, and maybe this is the worst I have witnessed today:

 

A replay would be good, watching that is like peering through somebody's letterbox to see if they are in.



Balc0ra #8 Posted 17 May 2020 - 12:11 AM

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View PostMetalsniper, on 16 May 2020 - 11:55 PM, said:

Way more than half was on the tank. Pause it at the correct moment. Further more when he reverses his tank you can see where the shell landed, and it was impossible for it to get there unless it went through the tank

 

Still... a 100% of the circle was NOT covering the target. Thus there is still a % chance it will go in that part of the circle. As in the 33% that was on the ground.

 

That, and your light was going red/green like crazy. So who knows if that could have affected it. It's why it's not the worst idea, to play with a server side reticule to see if that jumps etc. As you can't see that "delay" if you only run the client one. IF that was a factor.



VsUK #9 Posted 17 May 2020 - 12:16 AM

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You should also factor in the RNG that's secret regarding penetration. The roll of the dice every time you hit a tank +/-25% of your penetration. So if your pen is 266 & you roll the lowest pen -25% for 199.5 & your enemy has armour of 200, you'll fail to pen. I've got the drop on a TVP 50/51 that has 50% HP & just emptied its clip & I'm in my Lorr 40t full clip & I hit the same spot over & over & the first 2 shots pen & the 3rd shot that should be a kill shot fails to pen & then the 4th fails to pen. Now you're 1 on 1 with a tank that's going to reload before you. 

Also, there's a bug with destructible items that get stuck in your tank. Like fence posts, lamp posts & so on. The enemy can see those items moving around, even if your undetected. 

Homer_J #10 Posted 17 May 2020 - 12:40 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 17 May 2020 - 12:11 AM, said:

 

That, and your light was going red/green like crazy.

 

Thanks, I was trying to see that.

 

Sounds like OP needs to spend some of that premium money on internets.



VsUK #11 Posted 17 May 2020 - 12:47 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 16 May 2020 - 11:40 PM, said:

 

Thanks, I was trying to see that.

 

Sounds like OP needs to spend some of that premium money on internets.

Blaming weird things in game on people's internet is the type of blame shifting I used to see all the time. Getting hit from behind rocks, shots not hitting the target. Pointing at an enemy tank but your shot goes off in another direction. It's everything but WG's poor mechanics. 

 



Homer_J #12 Posted 17 May 2020 - 05:21 AM

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View PostVsUK, on 17 May 2020 - 12:47 AM, said:

Blaming weird things in game on people's internet is the type of blame shifting I used to see all the time. Getting hit from behind rocks, shots not hitting the target. Pointing at an enemy tank but your shot goes off in another direction. It's everything but WG's poor mechanics. 

 

 

If you want to stick your head in the sand then fine.  I will continue to give solid, science based advice.

 

Fact is, packet loss will cause weird stuff to happen.  There is no argument.



jabster #13 Posted 17 May 2020 - 06:18 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 17 May 2020 - 04:21 AM, said:

 

If you want to stick your head in the sand then fine.  I will continue to give solid, science based advice.

 

Fact is, packet loss will cause weird stuff to happen.  There is no argument.


The problem with that approach is that you don’t get to have a good old moan about WG’s servers or their incompetent dev’s.



FritzSpiegal #14 Posted 17 May 2020 - 07:02 AM

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For what its worth it goes the other way too. 

 

I shot at a fast moving tank at long range and on my screen the shell clearly missed behind. Nope, that one penned!



Ricox #15 Posted 17 May 2020 - 10:42 AM

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View PostVsUK, on 16 May 2020 - 11:47 PM, said:

Blaming weird things in game on people's internet is the type of blame shifting I used to see all the time. Getting hit from behind rocks, shots not hitting the target. Pointing at an enemy tank but your shot goes off in another direction. It's everything but WG's poor mechanics. 

 

 

Or you know... just facts. As for shots not hitting the target - well, they're pretty transparent about RNG. Given the arcade setup of the game and the fact that tanks are designed for long-range engagements, far exceeding most distances we see in this game, it'd be quite irrational to argue that it's a poor mechanic when it avoids giving 100% accuracy to every tank in the game. Complete accuracy can't really work in this setup of the game and I doubt we'd have many newcomers staying with the game due to the "fun" experience of being absolutely annihilated by sealclubbing unicums.


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CmdRatScabies #16 Posted 17 May 2020 - 10:58 AM

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View PostFritzSpiegal, on 17 May 2020 - 07:02 AM, said:

For what its worth it goes the other way too. 

 

I shot at a fast moving tank at long range and on my screen the shell clearly missed behind. Nope, that one penned!

I think tracers are a client thing.  Actual shell doesn't always go where the tracer says it did.



24doom24 #17 Posted 17 May 2020 - 11:01 AM

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My lefh has been treating me so damn badly recently. So many shots going to the edge of the circle. Is this just a typical thing with french tanks? Horrible rng, same on my Foch 155, 1 hits the tracks, 1 misses and the last kills the enemy for 30 damage and then a 45 second reload. :teethhappy: The 155 is comical, I encountered one in my 155 and we literally both bounced 2 HEAT shells off each other. This tank is made to miss. 

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ABC_Przyrody #18 Posted 17 May 2020 - 11:16 AM

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Just play with server crosshair (mod that enables both crosshairs would be best). It will solve most problems.

CmdRatScabies #19 Posted 17 May 2020 - 11:17 AM

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View PostABC_Przyrody, on 17 May 2020 - 11:16 AM, said:

Just play with server crosshair (mod that enables both crosshairs would be best). It will solve most problems.

https://awfultanker.torvox.eu/servermarker.html



nc30_guy #20 Posted 17 May 2020 - 11:24 AM

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Due to dispersion it missed and hits the floor under the 268 you see the flames and scorch mark on the ground.




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