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iraqxlol #1 Posted 18 May 2020 - 09:05 PM

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Hello.

 

I'm trying to get a new line of heavy tanks to start one and which one worth it, Can't really decide specially between 60TB and T110E4.

 

There is a lot of Questions, But It is better to have them all in one topic, Plus might start grinding on 2 lines at once.

 

 

1-Is Emil 1 worth it? The turret armor while nice, Seems falls behind Emil 2 a long way, Should I relay on it? specially against tier 10s which standard rounds could easily go through it.

 

2-I'm also looking for high alpha heavy tanks with a decent armor, both 60TB and T110E4 seems like nice choice.

 

60TB packs more armor but falls short on penetration and gun handling, While T110E4 has a great gun but armor isn't something to relay on, too many weakspots but can still bounce some shells from time to time.

 

3- Tried to start my grind on JpE100 but the stugs caused me to have the most boring games of all time, they depend on camping alot, Their alpha is not great either.

-So are they supposed to depend that much on camping? Or did I do something wrong?

 

Note: I do terrible in any tank that has low alpha damage, even worse when it doesn't have armor, You can easily notice that if you looked into my stats

 

4- I'm also looking for a nice medium tank that is good hulldown has some armor and good DPM as my first medium tank.

 

-Currently I'm closest to STB-1 since I already have Chi-Ri, Is it worth it? or should I go for Obj 430U.

 

-Or should i go after Czeck tanks, I really like Autoloaders, But the only problem for me is the very poor armor profile of the whole line.

 

While I know I shouldn't play mediums tanks like how I play heavies, But It would feel nice when you could bounce shots from time to time, And can somewhat brawl when against lower tier tanks. STB Feels the best choice so far, But I would like to hear opinions of other people, as there might be something I missed about STB-1.

 



kaneloon #2 Posted 18 May 2020 - 09:19 PM

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1-Is Emil 1 worth it?

My opinion is yes, it's a good tank. Don't be too agressive when low tiers, it can snipe too.

 

2- I like the T100E4, but I play it like a heavy. You can HE sometimes.

 

4- Imho the 430U is easier to play than the Stb-1. I find the constant raising/lowering of the gun pretty unsettling and less comfortable than a regular depression.

Of my garage the obj 140 and the progetto are nice tanks too.

Lots of ppl like the german leopard. 



frange #3 Posted 18 May 2020 - 09:24 PM

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Ehm... last time i checked the E4 was a TD - you ain't thinking about the T110E5, do you? :)

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View Postfrange, on 18 May 2020 - 09:24 PM, said:

Ehm... last time i checked the E4 was a TD - you ain't thinking about the T110E5, do you? :)

 

Well they both play like heavies (from the past) with known weakspots, but E4 has that juicy alpha.



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STBeast-1 is worth it.

Voldemars_Veiss #6 Posted 18 May 2020 - 10:21 PM

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t110e4>60tp, i like e4 more. both are good though :) with swe heavies, i would recommend to stop at emil 2, for most players.

other lines, well stb-1, udes 15/16, progetto 65 all great meds, leo and patton are not bad either, i really like tvp and batchat, but most of the players will say that they are bad :D

from heavies - SQ, wz5a, 50b(not easy to play, but i like any autoloader pretty much), 277, T57(i enjoy it, but not everyones cup of tea). cant recommend any other heavy, all superheavies are a waste of time, if you dont have pretty much everything researched.

tds - at tier 10 pretty much only t110e4 and maybe shitbarn(fv4005), rest are garbage, not flexible enough to carry any games. grille would be great, if its gun was not so bad in every aspect. basically dont go for tier 10 td without turret, casemate tds might work quite well up to tier 9, but at tier 10 they all get rekt after taking the shot.

light tanks? well nowadays its either ebr or nothing pretty much.

arta? :D cgc is the ultimate clicker.


Edited by Voldemars_Veiss, 18 May 2020 - 10:22 PM.


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EMIL 1 isnt that great. Turret can be penned with HEAT and the gun is not very accurate.

 

60TP is way better than E4. E4 has no armor at all and the gun is still derpy.

 

STB-1 is very good for an experienced player but 430u is easier.



iraqxlol #8 Posted 18 May 2020 - 10:55 PM

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View Postfrange, on 18 May 2020 - 09:24 PM, said:

Ehm... last time i checked the E4 was a TD - you ain't thinking about the T110E5, do you? :)

I meant T110E4, It is heavy disguised as TD except the gun, that why I feel going for it would be best option, T30 also seems like a really solid TD/HT.

 

View PostVoldemars_Veiss, on 18 May 2020 - 10:21 PM, said:

t110e4>60tp, i like e4 more. both are good though :) with swe heavies, i would recommend to stop at emil 2, for most players.

other lines, well stb-1, udes 15/16, progetto 65 all great meds, leo and patton are not bad either, i really like tvp and batchat, but most of the players will say that they are bad :D

from heavies - SQ, wz5a, 50b(not easy to play, but i like any autoloader pretty much), 277, T57(i enjoy it, but not everyones cup of tea). cant recommend any other heavy, all superheavies are a waste of time, if you dont have pretty much everything researched.

tds - at tier 10 pretty much only t110e4 and maybe shitbarn(fv4005), rest are garbage, not flexible enough to carry any games. grille would be great, if its gun was not so bad in every aspect. basically dont go for tier 10 td without turret, casemate tds might work quite well up to tier 9, but at tier 10 they all get rekt after taking the shot.

light tanks? well nowadays its either ebr or nothing pretty much.

arta? :D cgc is the ultimate clicker

 

Thanks for the answer!

Although I've never seen good Grille in my Tier 10 games, They're always either on fire or bouncing all their shots.

 

View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 18 May 2020 - 09:54 PM, said:

STBeast-1 is worth it.

Then STB it is.

Not to mention I have Type 5, So Japanese tech tree would be the first one to fully unlock.

Although STB seems like it needs dependent on player's skill, Can already feel my first games are going to leave a bad taste in my mouth.,

Thanks!

 


Edited by iraqxlol, 18 May 2020 - 10:58 PM.


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430U and STB are two completely different mediums. If you are looking for a med which can hulldown then go for STB or UDES. But 430U on the other side is a brawler and brawling in this game requires more skill. Consider yourself and make your decision. I would advise both as grinding Tier X needs only max 2 weeks now for a social player.

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Makes no difference really, because WG allow light tanks to move full pelt firing premium rounds at you & there's very little you can do about it because you're too slow. I just had a game with an AMX 105 penning my frontal turret of my 430U like it was made of butter. 

Makes me wonder why even bother with armour!

Nebuched #11 Posted 19 May 2020 - 05:27 AM

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Succesful td's are those who win the waiting game. This is exarbated by maps like Airfield and Overlord. With heavily armored td's you can be more agressive. 


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1-Is Emil 1 worth it? The turret armor while nice, Seems falls behind Emil 2 a long way, Should I relay on it? specially against tier 10s which standard rounds could easily go through it.

The turrets are good, when facing straight to the enemy. But you're doomed in a crossfire. I personally found this line to be pretty annoying, and much of a one trick pony. Since you have to rely on being hull down all the time, arty not shooting you, being the correct distance to safely reload your clip without getting rushed during reload, but also being close enough to not get screwed by your bad accuracy, and having to avoid any kind of crossfire.

Too specific of a scenario for me to be enjoyable.
 

2-I'm also looking for high alpha heavy tanks with a decent armor, both 60TB and T110E4 seems like nice choice.
Bobject 268 V4 is one of the best TD's. More of an assault gun though. You want to play agressively with it, not camp.

T110E3 is also a tough nut, loved by many with it's great armor.

60TP isn't too bad. It's like a better E-100.

T110E4, I personally enjoy the flexibility the turret gives. But the armor isn't up to par. More of a specialist vehicle.

 

3- Tried to start my grind on JpE100 but the stugs caused me to have the most boring games of all time, they depend on camping alot, Their alpha is not great either.

-So are they supposed to depend that much on camping? Or did I do something wrong?

The JP line is pretty decent imho.
The tier 4 Stug has a derp gun with nice alpha. Very inaccurate tho.

The tier 5 Stug is a bit campy, but the gun is pretty good.

JP IV has troll armor, but really lacks in penetration. Not a favorite of many.

Jagdpanther has troll armor as well, will bounce some lower tiers. But in general you want to camp more, but you can play it more agressive when top tier.

Ferdinand was pretty nice for me. Only play as an assault gun when top tier, otherwise camp.

JagdTiger is the same story. Assault when top, camp when not top.

JP E-100 is the same thing. Play assault if there's not too much armor on your team, and if you're facing lower tiers. Otherwise just snipe.

 

4- I'm also looking for a nice medium tank that is good hulldown has some armor and good DPM as my first medium tank.

Anything Russian will probably be fine. Except the K-91 line I guess. Those are a bit more campy. Mostly the 430U is noob-friendly.

STB-1 can be great, but all tanks below it really don't have any speciality in going hulldown.

Swedish meds also are nice hulldowners. I really enjoyed them, and they pack quite a punch. Good for agressive hulldown play.

 

-Or should i go after Czeck tanks, I really like Autoloaders, But the only problem for me is the very poor armor profile of the whole line.

Autoloaders are some of the most fun tanks ever. Especially the TVP and Progetto lines. But they indeed suffer from having absolutely no armor.

The TVP does have troll armor on the turret, and the Progetto has a troll hull. But they're specialist vehicles, so you rely on exploiting weaknesses by studying the map, and emptying your clip without getting shot back.

Wouldn't recommend autoloaders as a first medium line.

 

While I know I shouldn't play mediums tanks like how I play heavies, But It would feel nice when you could bounce shots from time to time, And can somewhat brawl when against lower tier tanks. STB Feels the best choice so far, But I would like to hear opinions of other people, as there might be something I missed about STB-1.

If you want a medium tank that can play like a heavy tank, get the Obj 430U. No better option than that. It's literally OP.



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don't know about e4 or 60tp but im playing right now the swedish heavy line, and i find it fantastic.

Emil 1 has great armor when toptier , you can bully ridgeline thx to his frontal tutter armor, but need to be carefull to crossfires and td gold ammo, gun handling is not the best but the entire line its pretty fast reloadwise.
Emil 2 is better in every single aspect, one of my best tank. Biggest problem is the horrorific grind , stock gun is bad but workable, the mobility is the real problem when stock.
Havent unlocked the kranvagn but it should be better than emil2 in every aspect.

1 problem with this line is the low premium ammo penetration, 300mm on tier 9 and 10 is kinda low when facing things like obj279(e) , maus or type5.

As for medium , you can't go wrong with STB, the problem is that chi-ri might be painfull to grind

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View PostVsUK, on 19 May 2020 - 01:07 AM, said:

Makes no difference really, because WG allow light tanks to move full pelt firing premium rounds at you & there's very little you can do about it because you're too slow. I just had a game with an AMX 105 penning my frontal turret of my 430U like it was made of butter. 

Makes me wonder why even bother with armour!

light tanks wrecking 430u turret, good joke lol, you do know that amx has only 280 pen on heat? leopard has that pen on standard rounds :D



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Good heavy tanks and not that bad of a grind

5a you also get to play the 4a

Obj277

SC again you get to play the conqueror which is good but you Do have to suffer the black price and Churchill’s

Medium tanks

430u easy grind

Prog again good grind

Tvp but be mindful the tier 8 is awful

Stb harder grind but well with it.

If you want a fun td  go for the 268/4 It has the speed to get you into the thick of things and trolling armour if used right. But the speed is the most important thing as slower TDS can leave you hanging about with nowt to do if your team is pushing the other side.




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From what I read there going for 430U will get you the most checkmarks, its a Heavy-like vehicle, I can definitely go hull down, just hampered by the low depression. And it has the alpha, kinda, has high alpha as a med tenk.

 

Stb is a joy to play, its in such a good spot now I'm scared to play it more since I feel they will nerf it if I do.



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re the STB (and I know this isn't what the OP started this thread to ask so apologies for continuing the slight derail) but while it is clearly good, is the grind somewhat unpleasant? Had a look on wiki and not many of the tanks in the line seem overwhelming, or am I wrong?

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View PostStronkiTonki, on 19 May 2020 - 05:45 AM, said:

1-Is Emil 1 worth it? The turret armor while nice, Seems falls behind Emil 2 a long way, Should I relay on it? specially against tier 10s which standard rounds could easily go through it.

The turrets are good, when facing straight to the enemy. But you're doomed in a crossfire. I personally found this line to be pretty annoying, and much of a one trick pony. Since you have to rely on being hull down all the time, arty not shooting you, being the correct distance to safely reload your clip without getting rushed during reload, but also being close enough to not get screwed by your bad accuracy, and having to avoid any kind of crossfire.

Too specific of a scenario for me to be enjoyable.
 

2-I'm also looking for high alpha heavy tanks with a decent armor, both 60TB and T110E4 seems like nice choice.
Bobject 268 V4 is one of the best TD's. More of an assault gun though. You want to play agressively with it, not camp.

T110E3 is also a tough nut, loved by many with it's great armor.

60TP isn't too bad. It's like a better E-100.

T110E4, I personally enjoy the flexibility the turret gives. But the armor isn't up to par. More of a specialist vehicle.

 

3- Tried to start my grind on JpE100 but the stugs caused me to have the most boring games of all time, they depend on camping alot, Their alpha is not great either.

-So are they supposed to depend that much on camping? Or did I do something wrong?

The JP line is pretty decent imho.
The tier 4 Stug has a derp gun with nice alpha. Very inaccurate tho.

The tier 5 Stug is a bit campy, but the gun is pretty good.

JP IV has troll armor, but really lacks in penetration. Not a favorite of many.

Jagdpanther has troll armor as well, will bounce some lower tiers. But in general you want to camp more, but you can play it more agressive when top tier.

Ferdinand was pretty nice for me. Only play as an assault gun when top tier, otherwise camp.

JagdTiger is the same story. Assault when top, camp when not top.

JP E-100 is the same thing. Play assault if there's not too much armor on your team, and if you're facing lower tiers. Otherwise just snipe.

 

4- I'm also looking for a nice medium tank that is good hulldown has some armor and good DPM as my first medium tank.

Anything Russian will probably be fine. Except the K-91 line I guess. Those are a bit more campy. Mostly the 430U is noob-friendly.

STB-1 can be great, but all tanks below it really don't have any speciality in going hulldown.

Swedish meds also are nice hulldowners. I really enjoyed them, and they pack quite a punch. Good for agressive hulldown play.

 

-Or should i go after Czeck tanks, I really like Autoloaders, But the only problem for me is the very poor armor profile of the whole line.

Autoloaders are some of the most fun tanks ever. Especially the TVP and Progetto lines. But they indeed suffer from having absolutely no armor.

The TVP does have troll armor on the turret, and the Progetto has a troll hull. But they're specialist vehicles, so you rely on exploiting weaknesses by studying the map, and emptying your clip without getting shot back.

Wouldn't recommend autoloaders as a first medium line.

 

While I know I shouldn't play mediums tanks like how I play heavies, But It would feel nice when you could bounce shots from time to time, And can somewhat brawl when against lower tier tanks. STB Feels the best choice so far, But I would like to hear opinions of other people, as there might be something I missed about STB-1.

If you want a medium tank that can play like a heavy tank, get the Obj 430U. No better option than that. It's literally OP.

Perfect answer, Thanks!



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View Postmikem70, on 19 May 2020 - 11:58 AM, said:

re the STB (and I know this isn't what the OP started this thread to ask so apologies for continuing the slight derail) but while it is clearly good, is the grind somewhat unpleasant? Had a look on wiki and not many of the tanks in the line seem overwhelming, or am I wrong?


Grind is ok, maybe along the way you will find a tank that will be a keeper. Tier 7 is interesting to say the least, tier 8 is quite average, tier 9 is quite good, especially since the changes and STB is worth it. I got it for the looks, and just happened that they fixed/buffed it roughly the same time i finished the grind. 

Playing STB will teach you a lot of things useful on other tanks, but none of them will do all of them as good as STB does, some do some things better but none of the do them all like STb at this iteration.



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Good HT? VK

Also Obj 705

first with gold ammo, second with HE






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