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The_Naa #1 Posted 19 May 2020 - 10:24 AM

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Heyo :)

 

i am sure that something similar has been discussed before but i've never seen one.

 

so what if we would remove the tiers 1-10 and match them up against each other based on time period when they were in use?

 

tanks used during1939-1941 against each other, T-26's BT's PZ.1-2-3-4's, frech tanks and all that good stuff.

and tanks from 1942-1945. Panther, Tigers, KV's, IS's, Shermans, Churchills

then tanks from 1950-60 and so on.

 

personally if you ask me. i would like to play tanks like that. maybe as a separate game mode, like ranked and FL are.

 

but what do you think? would it be impossible to play against Jagdtigers and Tiger 2's in a Churchill or M4 sherman?

oh and also it could be nation to nation but i was more of thinking about doing it like randoms where you mix them up so the teams are somewhat balanced.

only difference is that if your tank is M8A1 Scott that was in use in 1944 you could end up playing against Tiger 2's and ferdinands. i believe old updates had this kind of thing where you could end up fighting against E-100's and such, well at least the scouts had, that i remember.

 

teams would look something like this:

 

Pershing <-> Tiger

Tiger <-> IS-2

Chuchill 7 <-> KV-1S

Sherman <->  T-34

T-34 <-> PZ.4

M5 Stuart <-> M8A1 Scott

etc. so the teams are somewhat balanced.

 

part of me Still wants to go and kick high tier tanks in a low tier tanks. M5 Stuart was amazing with the derp. i miss that cute little thing. :(

 

but what do you say? would it work? would you play it?



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The_Naa #3 Posted 19 May 2020 - 10:41 AM

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View Post_Honored, on 19 May 2020 - 10:28 AM, said:

no

 

well ye i can kinda see why as this is basically me suggesting update 0.7.0 or and update before that where tier 5 VS 10 was possible with todays balance, player base and mm.

the game has improved a lot since then but we Still have players that cling on to past relics like ELC AMX and Chaffee before the nerf. (even i miss the stuart as i said)

and there are past updates that some point ''after this update the game went down hill''

i'm i am more than happy where the game is now but i could Still use the old MM

because i think its cool:P


Edited by The_Naa, 19 May 2020 - 10:43 AM.


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DiSaBor #5 Posted 19 May 2020 - 10:45 AM

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What about fictional tanks then ?

Cuz there aren't any more real tank left, but WG has to add new branches to attract players. 



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View PostThe_Naa, on 19 May 2020 - 10:24 AM, said:

Heyo :)

 

i am sure that something similar has been discussed before but i've never seen one.

 

so what if we would remove the tiers 1-10 and match them up against each other based on time period when they were in use?

 

tanks used during1939-1941 against each other, T-26's BT's PZ.1-2-3-4's, frech tanks and all that good stuff.

and tanks from 1942-1945. Panther, Tigers, KV's, IS's, Shermans, Churchills

then tanks from 1950-60 and so on.

 

personally if you ask me. i would like to play tanks like that. maybe as a separate game mode, like ranked and FL are.

 

 

 

Come on Naa, have a little think about what you are saying. Historical accuracy aside, why would anyone play anything but French tanks in the early period, German tanks in the middle one and Soviet tanks in the latter?

 

Edit: When they did try such a mode no one wanted to be the T-34 or the Sherman.


Edited by Slyspy, 19 May 2020 - 10:48 AM.


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View PostDiSaBor, on 19 May 2020 - 10:45 AM, said:

What about fictional tanks then ?

Cuz there aren't any more real tank left, but WG has to add new branches to attract players. 


well. fictional tanks are fictional. did not even think about those. exclude them maybe? Place them in the reality where they may have been made.

 

and i am Still waiting for the T-37 to come. and the BA series of armoured cars. Still plenty of tanks left to add.



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View PostThe_Naa, on 19 May 2020 - 10:24 AM, said:

Pershing <-> Tiger

Tiger <-> IS-2

Road to Berlin calls you



Thejagdpanther #9 Posted 19 May 2020 - 10:48 AM

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Na comrade. Soviet tonks no strok enough with time tiers. Rassha must be more stronk so no time tiers for you. Toilet paper tonks must be stronker.

Bullshitanium more stronk!



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I don't think it would work. You would still have trouble with some tanks. 

Like KV-1 first saw combat in 1939. So would be inside the 1939-1941 with Pz1s, Pz2s, BT series tanks. But since it also saw combat up to 1944, you would also get it in the 1942-1945 interval, fighting against Maus, IS-4 (design from 1944) and IS-7 (design from 1945).

 

IMO the tier distribution is a better solution than the time period.



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View PostDiSaBor, on 19 May 2020 - 10:47 AM, said:

Road to Berlin calls you


yes it was fun but i dont want to rekt AI for the rest of my life. i like PVP and thats why i play randoms. and World of tanks in general.

PVE only offers fun for so long until it gets boring.

 

View PostSlyspy, on 19 May 2020 - 10:47 AM, said:

 

Come on Naa, have a little think about what you are saying. Historical accuracy aside, why would anyone play anything but French tanks in the early period, German tanks in the middle one and Soviet tanks in the latter?

 

Edit: When they did try such a mode no one wanted to be the T-34 or the Sherman.


well i did try to cheat the system and take a Marder 2 to tier 7 games but WG made it illegal. :(

i did kill a ISU-152 in my SU-18 once tho. it was fun :)

 

View PostDava_117, on 19 May 2020 - 10:51 AM, said:

I don't think it would work. You would still have trouble with some tanks. 

Like KV-1 first saw combat in 1939. So would be inside the 1939-1941 with Pz1s, Pz2s, BT series tanks. But since it also saw combat up to 1944, you would also get it in the 1942-1945 interval, fighting against Maus, IS-4 (design from 1944) and IS-7 (design from 1945).

 

IMO the tier distribution is a better solution than the time period.


sounds about right, but certain upgrades do reflect time period.

 

View PostThejagdpanther, on 19 May 2020 - 10:48 AM, said:

Na comrade. Soviet tonks no strok enough with time tiers. Rassha must be more stronk so no time tiers for you. Toilet paper tonks must be stronker.

Bullshitanium more stronk!

 

 

 

 



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Going by how national and historical modes have worked in the past. I'm not too sure. As then you need to balance them differently. As IS were Tiger killers, you could say the same here. As they did stand little chance in national battles back in the day vs it. As nationals showed a flaw. Nations are balanced around a role. Germans have support heavies, Russian have brawlers, US was always a Jack of all trades nation. So when you start to focus on eras. Pitting Tigers vs IS and Pz IV vs T-34's. I suspect on a larger scale it would not work too well vs how it is now... Unless ofc you balance the tank for such a mode vs just randoms.


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View PostBalc0ra, on 19 May 2020 - 11:11 AM, said:

Going by how national and historical modes have worked in the past. I'm not too sure. As then you need to balance them differently. As IS were Tiger killers, you could say the same here. As they did stand little chance in national battles back in the day vs it. As nationals showed a flaw. Nations are balanced around a role. Germans have support heavies, Russian have brawlers, US was always a Jack of all trades nation. So when you start to focus on eras. Pitting Tigers vs IS and Pz IV vs T-34's. I suspect on a larger scale it would not work too well vs how it now... Unless ofc you balance the tank for such a mode vs just randoms.


true, but as i said it would not be nation vs nation rather time period where tanks are balanced among teams. so it would not be 4 Tigers vs 4 IS's instead 2 IS's and Tigers vs 2 IS's and Tigers + other tanks from that time period.

 

my knowledge of tanks ends after 1945. and some tanks that were in devopment at the end of the war but did not see Service but i think its safe to assume that T-54 was made in 1954. and Centurion came at just after the war… so you would have tanks from the period duking it out.



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who would want to play the weaker side?

that would make thematchmaking and queues very overloaded...

because it isnt fun driving a chaffe into a tiger 2....

 

war isnt fair and nobody would play the disadvantaged side



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View PostThe_Naa, on 19 May 2020 - 10:24 AM, said:


true, but as i said it would not be nation vs nation rather time period where tanks are balanced among teams. so it would not be 4 Tigers vs 4 IS's instead 2 IS's and Tigers vs 2 IS's and Tigers + other tanks from that time period.

 

my knowledge of tanks ends after 1945. and some tanks that were in devopment at the end of the war but did not see Service but i think its safe to assume that T-54 was made in 1954. and Centurion came at just after the war… so you would have tanks from the period duking it out.

That may have seemed to be a safe assumption but no.

 

As for the general idea, the problem I see is that in terms of 1 vs. 1 tanks were often balanced against their historical counter parts and in some cases there are complete mis-matches. 



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View Postbnmm113, on 19 May 2020 - 11:53 AM, said:

who would want to play the weaker side?

that would make thematchmaking and queues very overloaded...

because it isnt fun driving a chaffe into a tiger 2....

 

war isnt fair and nobody would play the disadvantaged side


you could drive chaffee into a tiger 2 or you could drive a chaffee into a pershing. the MM would Still sorta balance each team on whats available. just like in randoms now. its not nation vs nation. but its based on time period.

ofc if you mean that our team has a T-100 LT and the other team has an EBR. ''i dont want to be on the weaker side'' --    well… i dont know. :unsure:



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Well, t-34-85's are still used in some contries today (Africa?) - so yes - let them face Leopard 2a7+, Merkavas, M1A2 Abrams etc. Will be great matches!

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View Postjabster, on 19 May 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

That may have seemed to be a safe assumption but no.

 

As for the general idea, the problem I see is that in terms of 1 vs. 1 tanks were often balanced against their historical counter parts and in some cases there are complete mis-matches. 


yes i do remember there being a lot more IS's on the Soviet team vs the German team simple because the IS was more popular and stronk. but as my idea is not based on nation vs nation if there if there is more IS's in queue they would be evenly shared for each side. + other tanks from the queue

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View Postfrange, on 19 May 2020 - 12:04 PM, said:

Well, t-34-85's are still used in some contries today (Africa?) - so yes - let them face Leopard 2a7+, Merkavas, M1A2 Abrams etc. Will be great matches!


i see where you are coming from but we do not have africa as a nation ingame atm, and the other tanks apart from the T-34-85 are not in game either. (i heard they will never be)


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View PostThe_Naa, on 19 May 2020 - 11:04 AM, said:


yes i do remember there being a lot more IS's on the Soviet team vs the German team simple because the IS was more popular and stronk. but as my idea is not based on nation vs nation if there if there is more IS's in queue they would be evenly shared for each side. + other tanks from the queue

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i see where you are coming from but we do not have africa as a nation ingame atm, and the other tanks apart from the T-34-85 are not in game either. (i heard they will never be)

Even then you still have the same fundemental issue that players aren't inclined to choose tanks that are bottom feeders. 



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View Postjabster, on 19 May 2020 - 12:32 PM, said:

Even then you still have the same fundemental issue that players aren't inclined to choose tanks that are bottom feeders. 


that is true. wont argue with that.

but i have faith in the player base. we Still have plenty of players playing tier 8 when they can and will end up against tier 10's






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