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Anymn #1 Posted 21 May 2020 - 04:44 PM

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The Maus turret is useless.

 

Even with a perfect angle, the maximum of effective armour will be 340 against APCR or 350 against HEAT: if you angle more than 50 degrees, the turret side is weak, if less, the turret cheeks are. Which means that nearly all gold shells of tier X heavy tanks have 45% chance to pen, with 340 HEAT. Now, I usually think OP armour shouldn't be in the game, but for the Maus this isn't when actively playing: this is when angling the turret away in the most optimal manner in one of the slowest of tanks. Meaning you can't shoot back, etc. 

 

 

If you can't rely on your turret in these kinds of positions, you can't do anything in WoT.

 

In contrast, all Russian heavies have more effective turret armour due to the slope, but can shoot and maneuver at the same time. Both tanks have useless hull unless hull down.

 

Solution: Either gold pen needs to be reduced to 320, or raw turret armor to 270 (which means +/-360-75 effective armour when perfectly angled), or the vulnarable parts on the cheeks should become smaller, like back in the days, as shown here.


Edited by Anymn, 21 May 2020 - 04:48 PM.


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Game is not balanced around 2 key. there's ur problem.

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so even using the best ammo you can get in the game you are unhappy that they have a less than 50% chance of penning.... unreal.. you're the type of poster that got us into the whole armor is useless mess we are in at the moment.

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View Post_Signal_, on 21 May 2020 - 04:51 PM, said:

so even using the best ammo you can get in the game you are unhappy that they have a less than 50% chance of penning.... unreal.. you're the type of poster that got us into the whole armor is useless mess we are in at the moment.

 

And with whines like this, the loop will start again.



Voldemars_Veiss #5 Posted 21 May 2020 - 05:04 PM

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check the mantlet from side, when angled like that, it gets even more funny lol. good that all bots doesnt know about that.

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View Post_Signal_, on 21 May 2020 - 03:51 PM, said:

so even using the best ammo you can get in the game you are unhappy that they have a less than 50% chance of penning.... unreal.. you're the type of poster that got us into the whole armor is useless mess we are in at the moment.

 

Less than 50% chance of penning IF you hit a pretty small spot, a much worse chance of penning if you miss high or low on that spot and we all know that even at 100m most tier 10 guns are not going to hit that spot reliably AND the user can be wiggling/moving to make it more difficult.

 

Plus the Maus cheeks are the tanks entire weakspot in reality and they are 260 effective, if flat, and that are not huge, so here we have people complaining about weakspots, small ones that have more armour than most tier 10 guns have pen and you can increase the armour through angling. 

 

I do also like the fact the OP has completely ignored the fact that a whole host of tier 10s DON'T have 340 pen HEAT, the likes of the Kranvagn, 705a, ST-2. IS-7, Type 5, AMX M4 45, Super Conqueror, Chieftain, Maus it's self, all have like 325 APCR at best, with most have like 300-310 pen.

 

A Kranvagn, with it's HEAT round, has a 9% chance to pen that shot. 9%, It only has a 75% chance to pen the Maus anywhere frontally with zero angle with it's HEAT rounds. 


Edited by tajj7, 21 May 2020 - 05:09 PM.


Blubba #8 Posted 21 May 2020 - 05:13 PM

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The Mauerbrechers turret, on the angle, has around 250 at tier 8. Some tier 8s go straight through with standard AP and this thing faces tier 9 and 10. The Maus doesn't really have an issue.

 



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View PostAnymn, on 21 May 2020 - 04:44 PM, said:

The Maus turret is useless.

 

Even with a perfect angle, the maximum of effective armour will be 340 against APCR or 350 against HEAT: if you angle more than 50 degrees, the turret side is weak, if less, the turret cheeks are. Which means that nearly all gold shells of tier X heavy tanks have 45% chance to pen, with 340 HEAT. Now, I usually think OP armour shouldn't be in the game, but for the Maus this isn't when actively playing: this is when angling the turret away in the most optimal manner in one of the slowest of tanks. Meaning you can't shoot back, etc. 

 

 

If you can't rely on your turret in these kinds of positions, you can't do anything in WoT.

 

In contrast, all Russian heavies have more effective turret armour due to the slope, but can shoot and maneuver at the same time. Both tanks have useless hull unless hull down.

 

Solution: Either gold pen needs to be reduced to 320, or raw turret armor to 270 (which means +/-360-75 effective armour when perfectly angled), or the vulnarable parts on the cheeks should become smaller, like back in the days, as shown here.

 

 

Yeah, 50% PEN chance on a small spot IF you have 340 PEN (which most don´t). How horrible...

 

Its also not like you have an awesome gun, can move the turret to make hits harder and have a ton of HP....:sceptic:



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View Post_Signal_, on 21 May 2020 - 03:51 PM, said:

so even using the best ammo you can get in the game you are unhappy that they have a less than 50% chance of penning.... unreal.. you're the type of poster that got us into the whole armor is useless mess we are in at the moment.

 

Is 340 pen ''the best ammo in the game'', really? And against pretty much the most heavily armored tank in the game, angled in a way that it can't do anything back to you... Gold ammo is a moronic feature in this game and needs to get a turn under the balance axe.



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View PostJocMeister, on 21 May 2020 - 06:19 PM, said:

 

 

Yeah, 50% PEN chance on a small spot IF you have 340 PEN (which most don´t). How horrible...

 

Its also not like you have an awesome gun, can move the turret to make hits harder and have a ton of HP....:sceptic:

sure 50% my [edited], its 50% against idiots, when you angle turret like that.

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View PostVoldemars_Veiss, on 21 May 2020 - 05:22 PM, said:

sure 50% my [edited], its 50% against idiots, when you angle turret like that.

 

yea because that spot is hit sooooooo often /s



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View Posttajj7, on 21 May 2020 - 04:09 PM, said:

A Kranvagn, with it's HEAT round, has a 9% chance to pen that shot. 9%, It only has a 75% chance to pen the Maus anywhere frontally with zero angle with it's HEAT rounds. 

 

Umm, exactly what kind of armor viewing programs are you using if you think Kranvagn has a ''9%'' chance to pen that spot with HEAT? It's 23%, and still, it's a Maus the most heavily armored tank in the game, angled in a way it can't even do anything back to the person shooting it... But I guess, twist the numbers a bit and then compare to the most heavily armored tank in the game to make an ''argument''.



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View Postbarison1, on 21 May 2020 - 06:26 PM, said:

yea because that spot is hit sooooooo often /s

because most players still dont know about that weakspot. its not like its small in size(whole side of the mantlet lo)l, its not a pixel hunt, from close to medium range it can be hit very reliably.

 

 


Edited by Voldemars_Veiss, 21 May 2020 - 05:33 PM.


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View Postbarison1, on 21 May 2020 - 05:26 PM, said:

yea because that spot is hit sooooooo often /s

 

Apparently all the time. And RNG makes you hit where you aim all the time. And the Maus players NEVER move. They just sit there and let you shoot weakspots all day. :medal:



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View PostVoldemars_Veiss, on 21 May 2020 - 05:30 PM, said:

because most players still dont know about that weakspot. its not like its small in size(whole side of the mantlet lo)l, its not a pixel hunt, from close to medium range it can be hit very reliably.

 

 

when i played maus i can count on 1 hand how often i was hit there, so perhaps the 0.0001% can reliably hit it but the other massive majority doesnt



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View Postbarison1, on 21 May 2020 - 06:34 PM, said:

when i played maus i can count on 1 hand how often i was hit there, so perhaps the 0.0001% can reliably hit it but the other massive majority doesnt

well maus works against majority of playerbase, unless rng sends their shells in that spot by accident ;)



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View PostJocMeister, on 21 May 2020 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

Apparently all the time. And RNG makes you hit where you aim all the time. And the Maus players NEVER move. They just sit there and let you shoot weakspots all day. :medal:


the ones that never move dont angle their turret either, so that part of the mantlet doesnt even show :hiding:



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Tell me, How some us that tries to use as little gold as possible have any hope to penetrate your 270mm armor? While you have could easily penetrate our tanks? lets not forget your massive hp pool.

 

And no flanking isn't easy with the current game's mechanics.



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