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Kalonianhydra #1 Posted 21 May 2020 - 05:32 PM

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The RNG for pentetraions is useless, it's just pure BS when you can't penetrate a tank with your gun that have 200mm of pen and the target have 160, and it didn't penetrate.

And I don't care that I might pen tanks with over 200mm of armor just because lady luck can roll a double 6 and I have more than 200 pen on my gun. If I have a set value I don't want it to change by as much as 25%, max 5% and then a certain % drop off because of range.

But 25%, that's a lot.

We have RNG on the damage and the aim. And that's enough.

I know there needs to some sort of RNG, but there is quiet a lot already.

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I agree — big part of this game is learning where to aim on specific tanks, when you bounce a shot that should've penned, you won't know it's RNG and may not aim there again. #FalseLearning

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View PostKalonianhydra, on 21 May 2020 - 05:32 PM, said:

And I don't care that I might pen tanks with over 200mm of armor just because lady luck can roll a double 6 and I have more than 200 pen on my gun. If I have a set value I don't want it to change by as much as 25%, max 5% and then a certain % drop off because of range.

 

Yeah, you say that, but I bet you don't come here to complain next time you run into something big and RNG saves your arse.



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penetration RNG is pretty archaic. Shells in reality don't randomly decide when and when not they will penetrate the same thickness armour plate.:teethhappy:

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As long as +2 MM is there, or equal tier has the power gaps it has. +25% is not a bad spot. But -25% is arguable, not ideal indeed. And -10% would be a sweet spot for that IMO. I say 10%, as that other game did try 0% and 5%. And it was a mess. Most tanks ran vs fight as they had no chance to pen most equal or lower tiers anymore depending on class.

 

As with 5% , and as most tier 8 HT's are in the 212 area like the IS-M. They won't go below 200 on a low roll that's good with 5% vs the 156 ish it can get now. But won't go over 222 on a high roll either. So vs the likes of the VK 100.01. Their chance to pen on the lower plate or cupola would drop to way below 45% on the lower plate, and below 25% on the cupola at an ideal angle with that much high roll area gone. And to more or less zero if the lower plate angle goes up a tiny bit, vs alot. And with 222 as a max, how do you think they would fair vs tier X targets vs the current 265 max roll?

 

The only thing that would do then for some tanks, is to increase the gold spam. Trading one issue for another. As 222 max pen rolls won't counter much, when 220mm weakspots was the meta not to long ago on tier 8.

 

 


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Kalonianhydra #6 Posted 21 May 2020 - 06:09 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 21 May 2020 - 04:48 PM, said:

 

Yeah, you say that, but I bet you don't come here to complain next time you run into something big and RNG saves your arse.

Then I know if I can pen or not, I don't have to rely on idiotic RNG



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will see you back on forums to complain when you cant pen 201mm armor with 200mm pen

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View PostKalonianhydra, on 21 May 2020 - 05:32 PM, said:

The RNG for pentetraions is useless, it's just pure BS when you can't penetrate a tank with your gun that have 200mm of pen and the target have 160, and it didn't penetrate.
 

 

If you are not penetrating 160mm of armour with a 200mm penetration shell then it's more likely that it's the impact angle than RNG.

 

Extreme RNG rolls are pretty rare, most fall in the +/-10% bracket.

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View Postbarison1, on 21 May 2020 - 06:12 PM, said:

will see you back on forums to complain when you cant pen 201mm armor with 200mm pen


He will still be complaining he can't penetrate 160mm with 200m because of trigonometry.



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View PostHomer_J, on 21 May 2020 - 06:12 PM, said:

 

He will still be complaining he can't penetrate 160mm with 200m because of trigonometry.

but he never complains when he pens 250mm armor with 200mm pen because that shot was skillfully aimed



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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 21 May 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

Yeah, you say that, but I bet you don't come here to complain next time you run into something big and RNG saves your arse.

 

That's like saying you should keep playing the lottery because you can win a billion dollars even though the chances of winning are a trillion to one.

 

Just no.



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 21 May 2020 - 06:20 PM, said:

 

That's like saying you should keep playing the lottery because you can win a billion dollars even though the chances of winning are a trillion to one.

 

Just no.


oh yea forgot some people only have negative rng and never positive :harp:



Kalonianhydra #12 Posted 21 May 2020 - 06:27 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 21 May 2020 - 05:12 PM, said:

 

If you are not penetrating 160mm of armour with a 200mm penetration shell then it's more likely that it's the impact angle than RNG.

 

Extreme RNG rolls are pretty rare, most fall in the +/-10% bracket.

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He will still be complaining he can't penetrate 160mm with 200m because of trigonometry.

Shouldn't you be more diplomatic, being a moderator and all??
I do know angles, so please spare me your pitty



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View Postbarison1, on 21 May 2020 - 06:25 PM, said:

oh yea forgot some people only have negative rng and never positive :harp:

 

Well it sure feels that way more often than not.



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View Postbarison1, on 21 May 2020 - 06:25 PM, said:


oh yea forgot some people only have negative rng and never positive :harp:

 

I like to think of it as being minimum pen/damage with up to +67%, that way I'm always lucky.



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View PostHomer_J, on 21 May 2020 - 05:30 PM, said:

 

I like to think of it as being minimum pen/damage with up to +67%, that way I'm always lucky.

Put you just press the 2 key, and that's not luck, that's just money talk.

But I don't the RNG on penetration is good for the game. As you don't even know the value.


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View PostKalonianhydra, on 21 May 2020 - 06:33 PM, said:

Put you just press the 2 key, and that's not luck, that's just money talk.

 

That's the law when you are a Dinger.

 

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But I don't the RNG on penetration is good for the game. As you don't even know the value.

 

A gun with an average 100mm penetration can roll as low as 75 or as high as 125. 

75 + 67% is 125 (to the nearest whole number)

 

I know mafs.



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 21 May 2020 - 06:20 PM, said:

 

That's like saying you should keep playing the lottery because you can win a billion dollars even though the chances of winning are a trillion to one.

 

Just no.


Chances of winning if you don't play are zero. Trillion to 1 > 0



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It cant be removed now as you have tanks like T-32 that need to pray to dark gods of RNG to get good roll if they want to pene something VK.100 or Defender into "weakspots", if they dont shoot gold. And thats the problem. Other than that, RNG on pene is idiotic, but because game is well balanced it cant be removed now.

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View PostKingfish__, on 21 May 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

I agree — big part of this game is learning where to aim on specific tanks, when you bounce a shot that should've penned, you won't know it's RNG and may not aim there again. #FalseLearning

No, a big part of this game is not about learning where to aim on specific tanks.

A large part of this game is to learn that you have 14 team mates, a minimap and a keyboard that let's you move your tank around the map, and later, as the expert version, starting to learn that certain positions are better then others.

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View Post24doom24, on 21 May 2020 - 05:52 PM, said:

penetration RNG is pretty archaic. Shells in reality don't randomly decide when and when not they will penetrate the same thickness armour plate.:teethhappy:

Except they will.

 

Since 2 shots will hit their target with varying force, and thus be able to penetrate a different amount of armour. 



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Been saying this for years. it should be removed. only reason its even in game is so WG can lie and say "oh well RNG on pen thats why you dident go threw" when in reality that 420 JP E100 HEAT should totaly ruin that none angled Type5 heavy front. but eh, WG (russia) are behind the times anyways.

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