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the_nebuchadnezzar #1 Posted 22 May 2020 - 06:17 PM

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I just saw a post on FB on the WoT page that they are going to nerf Obj 430U and Progetto 65. We all knew 430U is OP and needed to be nerfed, but why make Progetto 65 a piece of cr4p?! This tank is good, but no where near broken... Why? No one complain about this tanks. This is another stupid move by WG...

 

https://m.facebook.c...ype=3&source=48


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There is a Supertest section where you can see this stuff as well y'know?

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/744377-medium-tanks-changes/



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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 22 May 2020 - 05:17 PM, said:

I just saw a post on FB on the WoT page that they will going to nerf Obj 430U and Progetto 65. We all knew 430U is OP and needed to be nerfed, but why male Progetto 65 a piece of cr4p?! This tank is good, but no where near broken... Why? No one complain about this tanks. This is another stupid move by WG...

 

https://m.facebook.c...ype=3&source=48


Yeah, just saw that myself.  I agree with you entirely. 

 

They have been talking about buffs and nerfs for a while and these seem to have popped up out of the blue although I may have missed it.  



Kingfish__ #4 Posted 22 May 2020 - 06:35 PM

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Literally only got the 430U a few weeks ago after a power-grind, and was about to buy the Prog 65 as soon as I earned the creds in Frontline next week... /facepalm 

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View PostKingfish__, on 22 May 2020 - 05:35 PM, said:

Literally only got the 430U a few weeks ago after a power-grind, and was about to buy the Prog 65 as soon as I earned the creds in Frontline next week... /facepalm 

 

Don't worry, these nerfs won't heavily impact 430U, I'm a bit surprised it took this long for those cupola nerfs. 



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430U turret was kinda ridiculous ngl. I wonder what the RU server things about this. Last time they weren't too happy when WG suggested a 430U nerf. 270 is still very strong, most tanks still aren't penning that with standard. 

 

Italian nerfs are kinda wierd. I'd be fine with them just removing the rammer since they are technically an autoloader. They shouldn't really touch anything else. That standard B engine nerf though, just why lol. 


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Nice now all those camping Itians will be gone...

Now they have to figure out in what medium they gonna snipe now...instead of flanking



Private_Miros #8 Posted 22 May 2020 - 06:53 PM

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WG has a history of nerving tanks that reward skill and aren't noob friendly. I think because the more bad players generally ignore these tanks, while good players play them disproportionately much, and actually do get over-average results in them.

 

So is Standard B and Prog OP? No.

Do they reward skilled play more than many other same tier mediums? I think yes, and that shows in the stats.

Do these tanks lack a solid baddie player base correcting those stats? Not as much as the noob friendly tanks that also over-perform.

 

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Note, the above is conjecture, not a statement of fact.



neutrophil #9 Posted 22 May 2020 - 06:55 PM

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430U nerf is fine, I think most people will be happy to see this, but no one, NO ONE, NO ONE is asking for Prog65 and Standard B to be nerfed! That is SO random and out of touch. And these proposed nerfs  are massive, much harder than the ones proposed for 430U. Those vehicles are good, and they are well liked, but they're not really considered OP. Why?? Maybe nerf AMX 105 next then, cause that's also pretty good but not the best.. I'm not one of the people that always hate on WG, you can look at my comment history, but this is just SO detached from all feedback...  


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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 22 May 2020 - 06:53 PM, said:

Do these tanks lack a solid baddie player base correcting those stats? Not as much as the noob friendly tanks that also over-perform.

 

Personally I'm doing my best to drag Proge & Standard's stats down whenever I play them and have to say, I'm pretty good at it! 



nickdragon13 #11 Posted 22 May 2020 - 07:09 PM

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Noooo dont touch my Spaghetti! I have the 430U as well but its surely broken but why the spaghetti..

 

Well, to follow the tradition: WE NEED COMPENSATION! :izmena:



_GrooziN_ #12 Posted 22 May 2020 - 07:23 PM

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No one on internet
Literally no one on internet: Progetto OP
WG: need nerf Progetto...

Apparently, as Miros wrote above, good players are overperforming in it.

PauI #13 Posted 22 May 2020 - 07:30 PM

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meanwhile chief and 269 get even stronger by nerfing tech tree tanks.....wg vodka logic.....

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I agree with the 430U / 430 nerfs even though they are going to be barely noticeable but the progetto 65 and standard B ......... It's like WG has gone back to the old practice trying to milk bulls again rather than try to actually balance them properly .  It beggers belief but i am in no way surprised with anything this company tries to do anymore.

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Funny how there was just a Italian Med ToTT isn't it? :sceptic:

 

Still, guess I'll just play the T8 Proggy since WG can't touch Prems 



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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 22 May 2020 - 06:53 PM, said:

So is Standard B and Prog OP? No.

Do they reward skilled play more than many other same tier mediums? I think yes, and that shows in the stats.

 

Standard B is OP as heck, and needs a nerf. Yes, it awards skilled players and it doesn't have armor, but the combination of firepower and mobility is just too good. And yes, I have it and I love playing it. It's still just too good at the moment.

 

Progetto 65, not so sure. Especially since Progetto 65 nerfs seem to be more like WG noticed people arent shooting enough HEATs with it, so they nerf it accordingly.

 

EDIT: And once again , 430 and 430U nerfs don't really mean anything because Russian. 430U cupolas nerfed to 275mm? What a joke. WG just wants people to shoot the HEATs even against medium tanks.

 


Edited by TankkiPoju, 22 May 2020 - 08:03 PM.


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WG: we dont want to piss off reward vehicle owners by nerfing those broken tanks.

WG: we need atleast 100 year to analize stats to nerf or buff tanks.

WG:we will balance e100 with joke stats, we will buff e5 with joke stats so it will still rot in everybodys garage for forever. Ohh we just put 30b and t62a into collection tanks, we are too lazy to do crapabout it.

So lets just nerf progetto, we know nobody asked for it. a GOOD not op tank alongside with 430u which nerf was announced more than a year ago also cancelled once.

 

What a joke company. Im on the edge to sell my account and never ever pump any money for this bs  company. 


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Gentle touch to OP soviet creep, and hammer down the hard to master Progetto 65! Meanwhile EBRs, Chieftard and 279 (e) rape around undisturbed! This is quite shitty!

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View Postneutrophil, on 22 May 2020 - 07:55 PM, said:

430U nerf is fine, I think most people will be happy to see this, but no one, NO ONE, NO ONE is asking for Prog65 and Standard B to be nerfed! That is SO random and out of touch. And these proposed nerfs  are massive, much harder than the ones proposed for 430U. Those vehicles are good, and they are well liked, but they're not really considered OP. Why?? Maybe nerf AMX 105 next then, cause that's also pretty good but not the best.. I'm not one of the people that always hate on WG, you can look at my comment history, but this is just SO detached from all feedback...  

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 22 May 2020 - 06:57 PM, said:

 

Standard B is OP as heck, and needs a nerf. Yes, it awards skilled players and it doesn't have armor, but the combination of firepower and mobility is just too good. And yes, I have it and I love playing it. It's still just too good at the moment.

 

Progetto 65, not so sure. Especially since Progetto 65 nerfs seem to be more like WG noticed people arent shooting enough HEATs with it, so they nerf it accordingly.

 

EDIT: And once again , 430 and 430U nerfs don't really mean anything because Russian. 430U cupolas nerfed to 275mm? What a joke. WG just wants people to shoot the HEATs even against medium tanks.

 

 

Meh they aren't OP as heck. I even underperformed in the Standard.

 

If they can be rebalanced, they should be done so to adapt their role (ensuring they aren't just a better alternative to normal full clip autoloaders) ==> make their inter clip reload longer to ensure they cannot do full burst damage reliably. Keep the soft stats the same.

 






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