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EMILY__BLUNT #1 Posted 22 May 2020 - 09:44 PM

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thnks wg, supertest, prem isu with legendary bl10

but isu 152, no bl10

return bl10

p2w again

p2 enjoy bl10 sound

gg



Balc0ra #2 Posted 22 May 2020 - 09:57 PM

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It's already out and about on live. But would I call it p2w? I would not call 16 more pen and 30 more shell speed p2w alone tbh. As it's still not the highest vs any tier 8 tech tree TD pen overall. And it's not like the tech tree ISU has a "useless" gun either vs most of the same targets.

 

And that extra pen came with a price vs the tech tree one as it stands now. 200 less DPM, less gun depression and elevation, worse gun stats, 100 less engine power and power to weight. And way less engine HP that I suspect will be the killer of it in the open. As it's under what most have as module alpha on tier 8 vs the tech tree one that is above most. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 22 May 2020 - 09:57 PM.


24doom24 #3 Posted 22 May 2020 - 10:09 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 22 May 2020 - 08:57 PM, said:

16 more pen 

 

 

26*

 

But yeah this tank is balanced. Sure the gun is memes but the soft stats are awful. And it's mobility is just worse than the ISU-152. But the fact that it's a premium ISU is what's so appealing about it. I love my ISU 152 so I might consider a purchase. This tank is not P2W, WG have actually done a good job with premiums since EBR 75. 



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View Post24doom24, on 22 May 2020 - 09:09 PM, said:

26*

 

But yeah this tank is balanced. Sure the gun is memes but the soft stats are awful. And it's mobility is just worse than the ISU-152. But the fact that it's a premium ISU is what's so appealing about it. I love my ISU 152 so I might consider a purchase. This tank is not P2W, WG have actually done a good job with premiums since EBR 75. 

Yeah because thats what the game needs at tier 8 a TD that has 286 pen standard with a 800 alpha gun.... which as usual...... Russian. 


Edited by _Signal_, 22 May 2020 - 10:27 PM.


24doom24 #5 Posted 22 May 2020 - 10:32 PM

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View Post_Signal_, on 22 May 2020 - 09:27 PM, said:

Yeah because thats what the game needs at tier 8 a TD that has 286 pen standard with a 800 alpha gun.... which as usual...... Russian. 

It's balanced though. The borsig also exists with 750 alpha and 334 HEAT pen and it's turreted. You might as well include that one for consistency:)


Edited by 24doom24, 22 May 2020 - 10:33 PM.


Balc0ra #6 Posted 22 May 2020 - 10:39 PM

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View Post_Signal_, on 22 May 2020 - 10:27 PM, said:

Yeah because thats what the game needs at tier 8 a TD that has 286 pen standard with a 800 alpha gun.... which as usual...... Russian. 

 

I've only seen one on live... that did badly. And from the live play out of the CC's that have posted about it, inc Skill. It doesn't even seem to be average for a tier 8 prem TD... Pen and alpha aside. It suffers way more vs the normal ISU on most terrain types and it lacks a turret in a wheeled mobility meta to name one.

 

I'm not saying the pen and alpha combo is not a bad thing that should not be there. But I suspect the overall impact it will make... is less then the old one ever did all those metas ago.


Edited by Balc0ra, 22 May 2020 - 10:41 PM.


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View PostEMILY__BLUNT, on 22 May 2020 - 09:44 PM, said:

thnks wg, supertest, prem isu with legendary bl10

but isu 152, no bl10

return bl10

p2w again

p2 enjoy bl10 sound

gg

 

If you can't make 260mm of pen work at tier 8 then 286mm isn't going to help you. 


Edited by NUKLEAR_SLUG, 22 May 2020 - 10:43 PM.


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View Post24doom24, on 22 May 2020 - 09:32 PM, said:

It's balanced though. The borsig also exists with 750 alpha and 334 HEAT pen and it's turreted. You might as well include that one for consistency:)

Didn;t WG remove the BL because it was overpowered for tier 8?? Obviously when you are paying for it it stops being overpowered.



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View Post24doom24, on 22 May 2020 - 09:32 PM, said:

It's balanced though. The borsig also exists with 750 alpha and 334 HEAT pen and it's turreted. You might as well include that one for consistency:)

 

Neither should have a place in Tier VIII. And this one is unfreely accessible thru VISA.



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View Post_Signal_, on 22 May 2020 - 10:18 PM, said:

Didn;t WG remove the BL because it was overpowered for tier 8?? Obviously when you are paying for it it stops being overpowered.

 

Reminds me of the T28 (yet another Rusky) that couldn't keep the 85mm F-30, while it's fine in the premium version.

 

[and yes, I'm aware there's a significant difference in how both of those tanks drive and maneuver]



snowlywhite #11 Posted 23 May 2020 - 02:32 AM

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if ppl. wouldn't whine so much about p2w and actually look at the tank, it's clearly worse than the tech tree one.

 

not by much, but still worse. And it's not like the tech tree one is anything to write home about to begin with.

 

"but it has the legendary(what? a gun's legendary in what world?) bl-10" - and when you have the magical bl-10, it's enough to press battle and you automatically do 5k dmg and get 150k credits...

 

p.s. - and now checking full stats; it's not lower hp/t. It's also that engine's gonna go belly up often with that hp.


Edited by snowlywhite, 23 May 2020 - 03:04 AM.


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View Postsnowlywhite, on 23 May 2020 - 01:32 AM, said:

if ppl. wouldn't whine so much about p2w and actually look at the tank, it's clearly worse than the tech tree one.

 

not by much, but still worse. And it's not like the tech tree one is anything to write home about to begin with.

 

"but it has the legendary(what? a gun's legendary in what world?) bl-10" - and when you have the magical bl-10, it's enough to press battle and you automatically do 5k dmg and get 150k credits...

 

p.s. - and now checking full stats; it's not lower hp/t. It's also that engine's gonna go belly up often with that hp.

Funny that that I watched a certain CC play it last night, as a CC he's pretty entertaining but as a player he's pretty useless, He sat camping (as he does in any tank in every game) in it easiest 4k damage i;ve ever seen anyone get but tbh this was more to do with the silly design of the maps, funnel them in let me shoot.

View Postsnowlywhite, on 23 May 2020 - 01:32 AM, said:

if ppl. wouldn't whine so much about p2w and actually look at the tank, it's clearly worse than the tech tree one.

 

not by much, but still worse. And it's not like the tech tree one is anything to write home about to begin with.

 

"but it has the legendary(what? a gun's legendary in what world?) bl-10" - and when you have the magical bl-10, it's enough to press battle and you automatically do 5k dmg and get 150k credits...

 

p.s. - and now checking full stats; it's not lower hp/t. It's also that engine's gonna go belly up often with that hp.

To be honest the only person who is saying it's p2w is the OP and if you're asking me I don;t really understand this old p2w argument in the game, I win and lose the same amount of game regardless of if I pay or don't pay WG any money. Seems like a silly argument.  I personally mentioned it because A: we were told the gun was overpowered and it was removed from tier 8 ,  now it's not overpowered anymore because you pay for it... not a great message to send to your client base WG and b: the game really really really doesn't need anymore content it has much bigger problems than content.


Edited by _Signal_, 23 May 2020 - 06:53 AM.


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Good luck hitting and penning an EBR with that gun.

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View Post_Signal_, on 23 May 2020 - 06:50 AM, said:

 b: the game really really really doesn't need anymore content it has much bigger problems than content.

 

It's not even new content

 

WG will only stop pushing out "new" content once every nation has a premium Panther, a tank with amx style turret, a tank with T55/ Patton hull and some kind of scorpion variation


Edited by General_Jack_D_Ripper, 23 May 2020 - 07:38 AM.


snowlywhite #15 Posted 23 May 2020 - 10:11 AM

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View Post_Signal_, on 23 May 2020 - 06:50 AM, said:

Funny that that I watched a certain CC play it last night, as a CC he's pretty entertaining but as a player he's pretty useless, He sat camping (as he does in any tank in every game) in it easiest 4k damage i;ve ever seen anyone get but tbh this was more to do with the silly design of the maps, funnel them in let me shoot.

To be honest the only person who is saying it's p2w is the OP and if you're asking me I don;t really understand this old p2w argument in the game, I win and lose the same amount of game regardless of if I pay or don't pay WG any money. Seems like a silly argument.  I personally mentioned it because A: we were told the gun was overpowered and it was removed from tier 8 ,  now it's not overpowered anymore because you pay for it... not a great message to send to your client base WG and b: the game really really really doesn't need anymore content it has much bigger problems than content.

 

the message is obviously... how should I put it... "Fire those marketing guys because they... "? :P

 

otoh, what was OP 4 years ago, in today's meta... might not be so OP. Though I still don't see how a turretless td with bad gun handling and no armor can ever be OP. Even 4 years ago. But then, I wasn't playing 4 years ago. But I still doubt a piece of art like isu-152 was ever OP.



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View Postsnowlywhite, on 23 May 2020 - 09:11 AM, said:

 

the message is obviously... how should I put it... "Fire those marketing guys because they... "? :P

 

otoh, what was OP 4 years ago, in today's meta... might not be so OP. Though I still don't see how a turretless td with bad gun handling and no armor can ever be OP. Even 4 years ago. But then, I wasn't playing 4 years ago. But I still doubt a piece of art like isu-152 was ever OP.

and again in none of my posts have I said the tank is OP or even approaching it..


Edited by _Signal_, 23 May 2020 - 10:21 AM.


snowlywhite #17 Posted 23 May 2020 - 10:23 AM

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I know; I was referring to what WG said.

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now the battle speed is going to be more faster. GG

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View PostEMILY__BLUNT, on 22 May 2020 - 09:44 PM, said:

thnks wg, supertest, prem isu with legendary bl10

but isu 152, no bl10

return bl10

p2w again

p2 enjoy bl10 sound

gg

 

Kawasaki! :izmena::playing:



pihip #20 Posted 23 May 2020 - 11:39 AM

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Here --->https://tanks.gg/com...-152?t=isu-152k

The 152K has better shell velocity and penetration, better ground resistance and (lol) better radio range.

Everything else is either equal or worse than techtree ISU-152.

This is not pay2win, it's what a premium should be - similar to the techtree counterpart, but not plain superior to it.





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