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TankkiPoju #21 Posted 25 May 2020 - 09:35 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 25 May 2020 - 09:22 AM, said:

high AP pen

 

This is actually one of the things people especially dont appreciate. It's 130mm main gun shooting regular AP with 265mm pen, which means it doesn't autobounce like APCR often does.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 25 May 2020 - 09:36 AM.


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View PostTankkiPoju, on 25 May 2020 - 09:35 AM, said:

 

This is actually one of the things people especially dont appreciate. It's 130mm main gun shooting regular AP with 265mm pen, which means it doesn't autobounce like APCR often does.

? AP and APCR have the same ricochet angle. 

 

Advantage of AP is better normalisation. 5 vs 2 iirc in favor of AP. APCR usually has better shell velocity, but it's not that much of a rule anymore.



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If you try to play 277 as a heavy you will fail miserably, that tank really sucks as a heavy. Front armor is non existent, gun depression is not very good so some hull down positions are not usable and the best part, every arty hit is going to shave of +500 HP. But on the other hand 277 really shines at bullying medium tanks, it's a lot easier to find cover on "medium side of the map" and you have considerable armor, HP and alpha advantage over medium tanks. If you want assault heavy that plays more like a heavy IS-7 and Obj 260 are much better picks. If you find lack of gun depression overly annoying on 277 you can always go for WZ-111 5A which is just as good for random battles.

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 25 May 2020 - 08:42 AM, said:

? AP and APCR have the same ricochet angle. 

 

Advantage of AP is better normalisation. 5 vs 2 iirc in favor of AP. APCR usually has better shell velocity, but it's not that much of a rule anymore.

That's why APCR tends to bounce more. 


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View PostWarzey, on 25 May 2020 - 04:51 AM, said:

If you try to play 277 as a heavy you will fail miserably, that tank really sucks as a heavy. Front armor is non existent, gun depression is not very good so some hull down positions are not usable and the best part, every arty hit is going to shave of +500 HP. But on the other hand 277 really shines at bullying medium tanks, it's a lot easier to find cover on "medium side of the map" and you have considerable armor, HP and alpha advantage over medium tanks. If you want assault heavy that plays more like a heavy IS-7 and Obj 260 are much better picks. If you find lack of gun depression overly annoying on 277 you can always go for WZ-111 5A which is just as good for random battles.

See thats my problem, I try to use is as an is7. I'll try to change the way I play it.



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View PostB0R34L, on 26 May 2020 - 12:21 AM, said:

See thats my problem, I try to use is as an is7. I'll try to change the way I play it.

 

Yup, gameplay is nowhere near IS-7. They are both fast heavies with 130mm gun, but that's where similarities end. Gun on 277 is way more reliable, has better standard and premium ammo, tank is overall even more agile than IS-7. However, IS-7 has better overall armor. But both are effective when hulldown. If you play 277 more like a big medium, just like T-10, you will be able to inflict incredible amounts of damage. 



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View PostB0R34L, on 25 May 2020 - 05:05 AM, said:

Keep hearing that 277 is OP.

How? The armour is sh!t. The gun is sh!t - heat is the only pro here. Mobility seems to be the only "redeeming" feature.

Am I missing something? Coz so far this sh!t is trash.

I'll take an S Conq any day - gun is better, so is armour.

It's not. It's strong tier 10 tank same level as 5A

 

It's also hard to play especially if you haven't played the playstyle before. But once you get it, you will propably enjoy it. I like 260 a lot more, can affect more on the armor by angling.


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View Posttajj7, on 25 May 2020 - 12:22 AM, said:

I mean this is the problem right here and how power creep happened, people just want everything. 

 

277 literally does everything, it's fast, it's agile, it has troll armour, strong armour hull down, 490 alpha, high AP pen, high HEAT pen, it has good view range,  and it has good gun handling for 490 alpha.

 

What the hell more to do want in a tank? 

 

It's a better medium than most tier 10 meds, whilst having heavy alpha, heavy turret armour and heavy HP, and then it's faster than most tier 10 heavies and better armoured hull down than the Super Heavies. 

 



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5.5 deg gundep... honestly i rather play is7

Objec7 #30 Posted 29 May 2020 - 01:19 PM

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View PostB0R34L, on 29 May 2020 - 02:38 AM, said:

 

I quess it kinda does have quite a bit going for it but imo it's not op, strong tank but there's many of those on tier X. Chieftain in other hand does indeed have everything and is just op. I think tanks like E5 and IS-4 should be just buffed to make them have their own things, atm fast heavies overperform those because they are just too weak on everything.



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It's a worse WZ-111 5A, but obviously people are attracted to garbage these days...

 



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View PostB0R34L, on 25 May 2020 - 04:05 AM, said:

Keep hearing that 277 is OP.

How?

 

don't know. Maybe the spread sheet tells WG it has killed too many EBRs?



Semih_Dellal #33 Posted 02 June 2020 - 12:16 AM

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well maybe not OP, but its not bad at all mate...At least better than E5, IS-7 and E100 for me...

 

great mix of firepower, armour and speed...thats the fact...

 

but everybody has their 'cursed tanks' in their career...maybe 277 is your cursed one...



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Obj. 277, IS-7, Obj. 260, WZ-111-5A, T95/Fv4201, Bobject, Kranvagn, Emil 2, 430U and Obj. 257 should all IMO have their top speeds nerfed down to about 40-45kph, and their engine powers knocked down about 1-2 hp/ton.

 

(I'd say probably the 113, T-10 and WZ-111-4 give up enough in armour to keep their speed, as none of those tanks are particularly well armoured , even their turrets are not that stellar)

 

That gives mediums and lights a more clear cut speed advantage over them, and it gives them a less clear cut speed advantage over the other heavies. 

 

And it makes them less good at everything, because at the moment they have near medium speed, amazing turret armour, good hull armour in some cases, high alpha, decent gun handling, high view range and even good DPM in some cases. It's just too much.  


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Misago #35 Posted 02 June 2020 - 03:03 PM

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Heavy tanks should not be able to go faster than 45, with the only exception being the ones like the french autoloader line that have no armor. If you want to get somewhere fast, you should pick a medium or a light tank. ANd they should not be able to accelerate like mediums either.

 

View Posttajj7, on 02 June 2020 - 10:23 AM, said:

Obj. 277, IS-7, Obj. 260, WZ-111-5A, T95/Fv4201, Bobject, Kranvagn, Emil 2, 430U and Obj. 257 should all IMO have their top speeds nerfed down to about 40-45kph, and their engine powers knocked down about 1-2 hp/ton.

 

(I'd say probably the 113, T-10 and WZ-111-3 give up enough in armour to keep their speed, as none of those tanks are particularly well armoured , even their turrets are not that stellar)

 

That gives mediums and lights a more clear cut speed advantage over them, and it gives them a less clear cut speed advantage over the other heavies. 

 

And it makes them less good at everything, because at the moment they have near medium speed, amazing turret armour, good hull armour in some cases, high alpha, decent gun handling, high view range and even good DPM in some cases. It's just too much.  

 

(Since I seem to be too dumb to see the last post, basically what this guy said.)



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View PostMisago, on 02 June 2020 - 03:03 PM, said:

Heavy tanks should not be able to go faster than 45, with the only exception being the ones like the french autoloader line that have no armor. If you want to get somewhere fast, you should pick a medium or a light tank. ANd they should not be able to accelerate like mediums either.

 

 

(Since I seem to be too dumb to see the last post, basically what this guy said.)

Well, I kinda disagree, mediums do have better mobility, if not top speed advantage, then acceleration, and ground resistance advantages among faster hull turning speed. There are few mediums which should be buffed in terms of mobility and maybe some heavies to nerf in terms of mobility but I don't see why they should go 45 kp/h max at all (although they might have too high top speed anyway). Chieftain is a good example of a heavy which is basically a very strong medium without any disadvantages, that should be nerfed for sure. Russian heavies are imo a lot more sluggish than any decent medium even if they might have the top speed advantage. Serverwide statistics shows as well how even as a relatively new tank 277 performs worse than many of the older tanks. I think it has high skillcap like T-10, T-10 might look weaker statistics wise but is better tank tier by tier.



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View Post_Signal_, on 25 May 2020 - 08:43 AM, said:

Just because I've heard the earth is flat, doesn't actually make it true....

of course it is. otherwise the tanks would fall off the maps.



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IDK about you, but I charge medium flanks with it. Got 2,5k damage average despite having 0 damage lag games. Of course, you might be aiming for more, but that way I manage to deal this damage early on when it counts, not just finishing off tanks.

 

But yeah, it is not OP just like the 430U – the object 260 is better than both at what they do. They're just good tech tree tanks.



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View PostSemih_Dellal, on 02 June 2020 - 12:16 AM, said:

well maybe not OP, but its not bad at all mate...At least better than E5, IS-7 and E100 for me...

 

great mix of firepower, armour and speed...thats the fact...

 

but everybody has their 'cursed tanks' in their career...maybe 277 is your cursed one...

All my tanks are cursed, or maybe it's my name, my current nemesis right now is the 283, boy i would love to make that thing work but the harder I try, the harder I fail, ah well nvm



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View PostB0R34L, on 25 May 2020 - 08:18 AM, said:

I dont understand. What's your point here?

 

His point is don't be like me, (rushing up the lines, well actually took me forever) and a thousand others for what do we want, stay at lower tiers and learn how to play, well thats what they say, and it is good advice, sadly much too late for me. But what do we want, we want the biggest baddest boomstick going, and they all seem to be at tiers 9 and 10 rather than at tier four where we would all stay if those big baddass guns were fitted to anything, eyeing this thing up myself, but then I never liked the T 10 so the jury is out on that one.

 

Heavies that pretend to be mediums will always confuse me, just as many other things do:D

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View PostMisago, on 02 June 2020 - 03:03 PM, said:

Heavy tanks should not be able to go faster than 45, with the only exception being the ones like the french autoloader line that have no armor. If you want to get somewhere fast, you should pick a medium or a light tank. ANd they should not be able to accelerate like mediums either.

 

 

(Since I seem to be too dumb to see the last post, basically what this guy said.)

But they are Russian, surprised the don't hover yet, that said the Bobject is overrated,, it is about as agile in a turn as the average super tanker, the oil bearing kind, not a unicom,







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