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FritzSpiegal #1 Posted 26 May 2020 - 07:46 PM

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OK, I know the best way to avoid ammo rack damage is not to get shot in the first place but I really seem to be getting damage (not the turret blown off type -just the sort that slows your reloading) SO often lately. Mostly seems to happen about .5 of a second after I've used the repair kit on tracks too.

 

I already have safe storage as a crew skill so is there much else I can do? Is it worth losing say the fire extinguisher for wet ammo rack  for example?

 

Would a wet ammo rack make any difference at all to just damage?

 

Any thoughts?


Edited by FritzSpiegal, 26 May 2020 - 07:51 PM.


Nebuched #2 Posted 26 May 2020 - 08:04 PM

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View PostFritzSpiegal, on 26 May 2020 - 07:46 PM, said:

OK, I know the best way to avoid ammo rack damage is not to get shot in the first place but I really seem to be getting damage (not the turret blown off type -just the sort that slows your reloading) SO often lately. Mostly seems to happen about .5 of a second after I've used the repair kit on tracks too.

 

I already have safe storage as a crew skill so is there much else I can do? Is it worth losing say the fire extinguisher for wet ammo rack  for example?

 

Would a wet ammo rack make any difference at all to just damage?

 

Any thoughts?

fe is a consumable, wet ammo rack is equipment. 


Edited by Nebuched, 26 May 2020 - 08:08 PM.


Cobra6 #3 Posted 26 May 2020 - 08:05 PM

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Certain tanks are more prone to ammo racking then others, for instance the Protopard (Leopard PTA) getting shot in the front and most of the Chinese mediums as well.

 

I was going to answer: "Don't get hit" but on a more helpful note, study the real tank to see where the ammo rack is, WG is fairly consistent with module placement so if you know where it is, try hiding that specific area.

 

Don't go for wet ammo rack or something, it's a waste of a good slot.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 26 May 2020 - 07:05 PM, said:

Certain tanks are more prone to ammo racking then others, for instance the Protopard (Leopard PTA) getting shot in the front and most of the Chinese mediums as well.

 

I was going to answer: "Don't get hit" but on a more helpful note, study the real tank to see where the ammo rack is, WG is fairly consistent with module placement so if you know where it is, try hiding that specific area.

 

Don't go for wet ammo rack or something, it's a waste of a good slot.

 

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Yeah, in my experience it's quite rare except in some tanks, e.g. Conqueror, where it seems to happen most of the time

There was one tank I sold long ago where I got so fed up with it happening that I did buy Wet Ammo Rack.  Might have been the utterly horrid A-44

I do have safe stowage on some crews 



General_Jack_D_Ripper #5 Posted 26 May 2020 - 08:24 PM

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U should first calculate if wet ammo rack is worth it.


Wet ammorack gives you 50% ammo rack hitpoints.

Safe stowage gives 12,5% ammo rack hitpoints

 

For example: T-44 has 180 ammorack health.

IS-3 does 165 damage versus ammorack 

A module gets yellow, if it lost 50% of its hp.

180 * 1,5 / 2 < 165

180 * 1,65 / 2 < 165

Therefore: Even with a wet ammorack and safe stowage a hit of IS-3 will result in a yellow ammo rack(if module is hit).

In my opinion wet ammorack and safe stowage in particular are a complete waste except if you find yourself exploding quite often from a destroyed ammo rack.

Please mind: A module can be damaged but not yellow if it lost fewer than 50% of its hp.


Edited by General_Jack_D_Ripper, 26 May 2020 - 08:25 PM.


Pansenmann #6 Posted 26 May 2020 - 09:33 PM

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use safe stowage directive, gives additional 37.5% off ammorack health

so combine that with wet ammo rack you get +100% ammo rack health

 

safe stowage can make the difference between blowing up straight away

vs. just a "yellow" ammo rack


Edited by Pansenmann, 26 May 2020 - 09:34 PM.


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Wet ammo rack is useless. And i dont think you should focus on trying to avoid getting ammoracked or whatever. It happens and and as long as you dont explode on the first shot its still fine. Just avoid showing your side in tanks like S.Conqueror, or Russian tanks if your repair kit is on cd, they tend to get racked a lot

WindSplitter1 #8 Posted 26 May 2020 - 09:46 PM

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Wet Ammo rack is only useful on one tank: WZ-111 1-4. Without it, your turret will be sent to Earth's Lower Orbit,, even with crew skills.

 

On most other vehicles. Not worth it.



Private_Miros #9 Posted 26 May 2020 - 09:51 PM

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1. take care what parts of your tank you expose / lure shots into turret, gun mantle, tracks or wherever there is less chance of you getting ammo racked.

 

2. Safe stowage on loader.

 

3. Live with it when it happens. I generally don't get it too often without being able to repair it immediately.



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View PostPansenmann, on 26 May 2020 - 09:33 PM, said:

use safe stowage directive, gives additional 37.5% off ammorack health

so combine that with wet ammo rack you get +100% ammo rack health

 

safe stowage can make the difference between blowing up straight away

vs. just a "yellow" ammo rack

 

Yes of course, it can.

With modules and skills it is quite wise to ask one question first: Which option will help me the majority of times.

The second one would be: Is the difference relevant

Therefore, I would never install Wet ammorack, because it only helps under certain circumstances and my loader gets safe stowage pretty late.



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View PostGeneral_Jack_D_Ripper, on 26 May 2020 - 08:24 PM, said:

 

IS-3 does 165 damage versus ammorack 

I believe the listed module damage a tank does is an average so still subject to a 25% variance just like regular healthpool damage.



Pansenmann #12 Posted 26 May 2020 - 11:57 PM

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View PostGeneral_Jack_D_Ripper, on 26 May 2020 - 10:02 PM, said:

 

Yes of course, it can.

With modules and skills it is quite wise to ask one question first: Which option will help me the majority of times.

The second one would be: Is the difference relevant

Therefore, I would never install Wet ammorack, because it only helps under certain circumstances and my loader gets safe stowage pretty late.

 

I use safe stowage on most of my tanks as 2nd or 3rd loader skill (if crew layout allows so)



Tom_Deekanarry #13 Posted 27 May 2020 - 09:28 AM

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Avoid UK tanks then, the Cromwell, Comet, Centurion line has an auto ammorack feature which breaks the rack if anyone fires a gun within 300m of you!

RockyRoller #14 Posted 27 May 2020 - 09:30 AM

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I had a tiger 1 (131) that was very prone to being ammo racked, The Japanese type vi wasn't. A wet ammo rack solved the 131s problem.... safe storage later on freed up that slot.

Spurtung #15 Posted 27 May 2020 - 09:41 AM

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You should look at it from a purely statistical point of view:

 

Does it pay off addressing an issue that happens in less than 10% of games? It doesn't seem like it...especially with repair kits that can be used multiple times.



Thlurp #16 Posted 27 May 2020 - 02:31 PM

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knowing where the ammorack is helps a lot to reduce it getting damaged

when i first bought t-44 i got ammoracked a lot, finding out that when t-44 gets hit in the right side of the tank ammorack hits are common helped a lot reducing it getting damaged or blown up



NUKLEAR_SLUG #17 Posted 27 May 2020 - 02:36 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 27 May 2020 - 09:41 AM, said:

You should look at it from a purely statistical point of view:

 

Does it pay off addressing an issue that happens in less than 10% of games? It doesn't seem like it...especially with repair kits that can be used multiple times.

 

This. It's annoying when it happens obviously, but it's so infrequent anyway that the measures you could put in place to reduce it would harm you more in the long term from the perks/equipment slots  you have to give up to do it.



FritzSpiegal #18 Posted 27 May 2020 - 03:23 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 27 May 2020 - 02:36 PM, said:

 

This. It's annoying when it happens obviously, but it's so infrequent anyway that the measures you could put in place to reduce it would harm you more in the long term from the perks/equipment slots  you have to give up to do it.

Have to agree with you and others, I'll try with the best solution of not getting shot.



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View PostFritzSpiegal, on 27 May 2020 - 03:23 PM, said:

Have to agree with you and others, I'll try with the best solution of not getting shot.

 

That's a tactic that solves a whole load of problems. :)



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View PostPansenmann, on 26 May 2020 - 11:57 PM, said:

I use safe stowage on most of my tanks as 2nd or 3rd loader skill (if crew layout allows so)

 

I do not care. U may do so. :) Just because I think it is useless for me, does not mean you should think it is useless for you. :playing:

The loader has not too many useful skills, anyway.






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