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apples33d #1 Posted 27 May 2020 - 03:27 AM

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Is it me or this is the ultimate medium around? 

This POS is as fast as my light, can clip me (yes I said me, lets go one o one anyday if you bother to open your big 20K battle mouth), and is one of the best damage anyday anytime in 90% of the game I play, before anyone call for stats, lets go for the stats site and he will prevail. 

Nerf this crap, fast, or.... [content removed]

 

Minor sexual reference. 

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Kdingo #2 Posted 27 May 2020 - 03:42 AM

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View Postapples33d, on 27 May 2020 - 03:27 AM, said:


Nerf this crap, fast, or.... [content removed]

 

[content removed]

 

Minor sexual reference.

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apples33d #3 Posted 27 May 2020 - 03:47 AM

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View PostKdingo, on 27 May 2020 - 03:42 AM, said:

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[content removed]? you clearly come from tsarinstky russia

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Well without being a [edited]drunk (which I am) the progetto overperform in my view, I'm really wondering why I try tio push light lines with this monster around, I know I'm not a decent player, but seriously, I'm really wondering why it is at 40€ at best deal (hint hint) 

Nah wg doesnt push for the money at all. 

 

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MaxandChloe4ever #4 Posted 27 May 2020 - 04:10 AM

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I think you can conduct a discussion without involving anything inappropriate.

Please do so.

 

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TankkiPoju #5 Posted 27 May 2020 - 06:46 AM

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Ahhhhh I racked my brain why "Max and Chloe" sounded so familiar... it's from the game :)

 

But yeah Progetto 46 is at the moment the ultimate medium tank. It has everything needed for a skilled player to dominate in current meta.



wsatnutter #6 Posted 27 May 2020 - 06:55 AM

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OP you would have been better off asking good players on this forum , on how to play against the progretto and not come to the forums like a petulant child and embarrass yourself ?

Zmago5000 #7 Posted 27 May 2020 - 06:57 AM

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all good things in life cost money :)

But after some 100 batlles in it,  you get to conclusion, that is boring to play an OP tank  that surpases all other and just return to old good techtree tanks :)



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View Postapples33d, on 27 May 2020 - 03:27 AM, said:

Is it me or this is the ultimate medium around? 

This POS is as fast as my light, can clip me (yes I said me, lets go one o one anyday if you bother to open your big 20K battle mouth), and is one of the best damage anyday anytime in 90% of the game I play, before anyone call for stats, lets go for the stats site and he will prevail. 

Nerf this crap, fast, or.... [content removed]

 

Minor sexual reference. 

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Progetto 46 is the best tier 8 tank, not better than that.



kaneloon #9 Posted 27 May 2020 - 09:10 AM

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I am wondering if the progetto line tree nerf is a consequence of this ?

Players spamming the premium one having an OP crew it impacts the tiers X level ?



TankkiPoju #10 Posted 27 May 2020 - 09:46 AM

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View Postkaneloon, on 27 May 2020 - 09:10 AM, said:

I am wondering if the progetto line tree nerf is a consequence of this ?

Players spamming the premium one having an OP crew it impacts the tiers X level ?

 

It's could be related, but apparently on RU servers the meta is every game has like 3-5 Progetto 65s and it annoys people more than EBRs and arty... if possible.

 

And apparently also many people play it like a TD, which means they load the 330mm HEATs and snipe from redline all game. Only Russian medium tanks are allowed to do that :hiding:



BattleMetalChris #11 Posted 27 May 2020 - 09:57 AM

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I've got one as a rental for a month, for my 9-year WoT anniversary. It's very, very nice, the 3-shot clip can be devastating and you can't really count shots against it like you can with the French autoloaders as it reloads mid-clip.

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Tom_Deekanarry #12 Posted 27 May 2020 - 10:45 AM

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Cammo is low so your always spotted, the gun can bounce alarmingly, I rattled 3 off the SIDE of a Char Futura 4 in my last game at 50yds WTF?

 

It reloads automatically which is handy, it's  quite mobile, only 2kmh slower than my Setter :facepalm: but has no armour,  spotting is good, but I'm still trying to figure it out, if I play it as a big light tank it works great but I struggle to duel with it as I bounce a lot unless I load APCR.

 

Good tank though.



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View Postkaneloon, on 27 May 2020 - 09:10 AM, said:

I am wondering if the progetto line tree nerf is a consequence of this ?

Players spamming the premium one having an OP crew it impacts the tiers X level ?


Seems the main reason is the excessive popularity of Progetto 65 on RU server.

WG couldn't care less if the Progetto 46 gets spammed though, they sell it every round of Frontline and then some more, it's a guaranteed source of profit for them.



WingedArchon #14 Posted 27 May 2020 - 10:56 AM

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Proghetto 46 as a tier 8 is certainly a pay to win tank.

I also loath it with a passion because of it.

I've played it a while ago when I've received it as a temporary rental. The tank is not for me. I can see its appeal, but I believe its simply overdone. 

It gets all the thing that made it great, but the things that should balance it out are nearly inconsequential.

This thing... Much, MUCH more so than its tier X brother needs a nerf.



TankkiPoju #15 Posted 27 May 2020 - 12:34 PM

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View PostWingedArchon, on 27 May 2020 - 10:56 AM, said:

Proghetto 46 as a tier 8 is certainly a pay to win tank.

 

It really is. WG made Pantera which is already a bloody good tank, and then just flatout buffed it into Progetto 46 and sells it.

 

Its even more disgusting with Chinese TDs and British light tanks: The entire lines seem to be made to just sell the tier 8 premium tank. It's like the rest of tanks are just fillers.



snowlywhite #16 Posted 27 May 2020 - 01:36 PM

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pantera and proseco are more or less on par. Yes, you have faster intraclip, but pantera on the other hand can actually bounce as top tier and is faster. All in all, if you don't have proseco, play pantera, you'll be more or less the same.

 

and yes, proseco currently it's the ultimate medium in t8. And nope, it doesn't need a nerf. Unless you accept the idea t8 mediums have to suck for some God knows what reason.

 

vaaast majority(80+%) of t8 meds are simply outdated. Out of the old lines(older than 1.5 years or whenever italians showed up), beside bucket they're all totally outdated. And bucket is a very weird tank to play, isn't really a med, and so on. But it gets an honourable mention because, well, 320 alpha and very high heat pen allow it to compete as bottom tier.

 

there are already plenty of tier 8 heavies that more or less have double the alpha of the usual med in tier 8...

 

p.s. - also, don't forget the difference between tier 8 and tier 9 meds(the tier most commonly fought) is one of the largest ingame. Don't know any other class where the difference between two tiers is so glaring in high tiers.


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View PostTankkiPoju, on 27 May 2020 - 09:46 AM, said:

 

It's could be related, but apparently on RU servers the meta is every game has like 3-5 Progetto 65s and it annoys people more than EBRs and arty... if possible.

 

And apparently also many people play it like a TD, which means they load the 330mm HEATs and snipe from redline all game. Only Russian medium tanks are allowed to do that :hiding:

 

I heard that, but I find it hard to believe.

Ru server statistics.

There are 5 Tier X MTs which are driven more often.



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View PostGeneral_Jack_D_Ripper, on 27 May 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

 

I heard that, but I find it hard to believe.

Ru server statistics.

There are 5 Tier X MTs which are driven more often.

Well think which one of ther mediums is the most new?



apples33d #19 Posted 27 May 2020 - 01:56 PM

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View PostMaxandChloe4ever, on 27 May 2020 - 04:10 AM, said:

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Sorry mate, drunk crapI kinda vented out which clearly went off my original "point", if you can call this a point, it was more of a statement which regarding to many experienced answer is more than an opinion tbh. But yeah, wont happen again, my white wine is kinda over ;) apologies

 

View Postwsatnutter, on 27 May 2020 - 06:55 AM, said:

OP you would have been better off asking good players on this forum , on how to play against the progretto and not come to the forums like a petulant child and embarrass yourself ?


The only embarassing stuff was that I was drunk, I'm almost 40, the child says hi btw. Anything thread related you would like to say? Like how to play vs the progetto as an experienced player? All ears out tbh. 

To my original point, I find this tank overperforming in any hands, and as its usually in pretty capable hands, it simply dominates the battlefield 90% of the time, you can bring the other T8 meds on par or nerf the beast for what I care, it was more a tinfoil statement because I dont have the numbers but my stats feeling is usually good regarding to balancing (no bragging, just stating). 

I tried the hard way and play light as a noob in wot, I'm seriously considering my choice now that I see that a medium with light mobility can put 500hp up my arse in seconds (because I do react before the end of the clip), there is reason I'm at 60% WR in the cromwell being a novice, same reason (and more) the spaghetto 46 is OP in my view, from what I understand mobility OR W/M1 warrior are the current meta, I find Defender OP for the exact same reason, Low risk high reward tanks. Sorry bothering some with my opinion, its a forum after all aint it? 


Edited by apples33d, 27 May 2020 - 02:05 PM.


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View Postapples33d, on 27 May 2020 - 12:56 PM, said:

Sorry mate, drunk crapI kinda vented out which clearly went off my original "point", if you can call this a point, it was more of a statement which regarding to many experienced answer is more than an opinion tbh. But yeah, wont happen again, my white wine is kinda over ;) apologies

 


The only embarassing stuff was that I was drunk, I'm almost 40, the child says hi btw. Anything thread related you would like to say? Like how to play vs the progetto as an experienced player? All ears out tbh. 

To my original point, I find this tank overperforming in any hands, and as its usually in pretty capable hands, it simply dominates the battlefield 90% of the time, you can bring the other T8 meds on par or nerf the beast for what I care, it was more a tinfoil statement because I dont have the numbers but my stats feeling is usually good regarding to balancing (no bragging, just stating). 

I tried the hard way and play light as a noob in wot, I'm seriously considering my choice now that I see that a medium with light mobility can put 500hp up my arse in seconds (because I do react before the end of the clip), there is reason I'm at 60% WR in the cromwell being a novice, same reason (and more) the spaghetto 46 is OP in my view, from what I understand mobility OR W/M1 warrior are the current meta, I find Defender OP for the exact same reason, Low risk high reward tanks. Sorry bothering some with my opinion, its a forum after all aint it?

I wasn't having a dig m8 its how I read your post as it came across  and I agree  the points you make on the progretto but ranting on the forum will get you nowhere.. rumour has it

it will be nerfed as for now well I usually hit them with my skorp or filthy toaster and usually in a toon as for your opinion its always valid same as everyone else.






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