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M1thr4ndir #1 Posted 27 May 2020 - 11:38 AM

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Can someone explain me how the hell game count exp, because I make 3,2k dmg in Obj 264 v4 and dont enter even in top 10. And Lowe with 1 kill and 260 dmg are in front of me??? And its not first time that it happened. I go and check rest of team, with lower dmg, and see that they dont have any assistent dmg or between 300-400 only. And no matters how many dmg I make always be this strange exp difference.

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General_Jack_D_Ripper #2 Posted 27 May 2020 - 11:40 AM

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M1thr4ndir #3 Posted 27 May 2020 - 12:07 PM

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.Yeah but what is logic that you fight all the time, make 10 times more dmg from someone, and then that one guy make one shot in game and get kill and he get more exp then you. There is no logic. Its only encouraging camping and kill stilling. Its stupid and wrong mechanic.



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I suspect that it is because sitting at the back smacking low tiers around doesn't generate as much xp as doing damage to high tiers up close and personal. 

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View PostM1thr4ndir, on 27 May 2020 - 11:07 AM, said:

 

.Yeah but what is logic that you fight all the time, make 10 times more dmg from someone, and then that one guy make one shot in game and get kill and he get more exp then you. There is no logic. Its only encouraging camping and kill stilling. Its stupid and wrong mechanic.

 

The logic is that without someone else spotting for you you wouldn't have been able to do that 3,2k damage, so that someone else gets half of your exp for that damage dealt. And another logocal thing is that you as aa top tier are expected to do stuff so when the 2 tiers lower tank destroyes an enemy of higher tier, they are basically doing your job as a top tier and they get rewarded for it. Kills also give a good amount of exp on their own, like 100 of so each. 



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View PostM1thr4ndir, on 27 May 2020 - 12:07 PM, said:

 

.Yeah but what is logic that you fight all the time, make 10 times more dmg from someone, and then that one guy make one shot in game and get kill and he get more exp then you. There is no logic. Its only encouraging camping and kill stilling. Its stupid and wrong mechanic.

 

Do you play it like a support TD or a brawler? As if you do 10 more damage then anyone else. That don't matter when you lose 50% XP pr damage point by doing damage on others spotting at the back vs brawling upfront... IF that is the case. That and others fought higher tier targets, you fought lower tiers.

 

And considering all the factors on XP. As in it's more than just the damage alone. How much assist did the Lowe have? If he pushed the HT lane and you did damage on his spotting as an example. You gave him your XP more or less. Then you can get past you with even zero damage done. And as it was a draw I suspect. You don't get the performance bonus you would have gotten if you won, by elimination considering even the team performance bonus. Thus you work more for less in most TDs.


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View PostLethalWalou, on 27 May 2020 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

The logic is that without someone else spotting for you you wouldn't have been able to do that 3,2k damage, so that someone else gets half of your exp for that damage dealt. And another logocal thing is that you as aa top tier are expected to do stuff so when the 2 tiers lower tank destroyes an enemy of higher tier, they are basically doing your job as a top tier and they get rewarded for it. Kills also give a good amount of exp on their own, like 100 of so each. 

Like I say already, in this case Lowe have 1 shot 260 dmg, and have 0 on assist dmg and 1 kill, have more exp then I who btw was in first line with tank and make 10 more dmg. Whats point of your coment, that TDs need to get 0 xp just because they are behind ?? I mean WTF



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View PostM1thr4ndir, on 27 May 2020 - 11:55 AM, said:

Like I say already, in this case Lowe have 1 shot 260 dmg, and have 0 on assist dmg and 1 kill, have more exp then I who btw was in first line with tank and make 10 more dmg. Whats point of your coment, that TDs need to get 0 xp just because they are behind ?? I mean WTF

 

Lowe isn't a tier 10. If that one shot was from closeby on an enemy tier 10 he gets a huge bonus. That's the reward of being -2 in MM.

 

TDs get enough xp, this was just a battle where you did nothing actively. You shot mostly lower tier on the back of other people (who were rewarded for that as well) as top tier.

Does that mean you played badly or were useless that particular? No, not necessarily. Does that make sense in terms of xp calculation and how to reward play in general? I think xp is one of the areas where WG actually did a pretty good job. I consider base xp an excellent skill parameter. If only it showed base xp, and wasn't borked by the premium bonus.



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View PostM1thr4ndir, on 27 May 2020 - 12:55 PM, said:

Like I say already, in this case Lowe have 1 shot 260 dmg, and have 0 on assist dmg and 1 kill, have more exp then I who btw was in first line with tank and make 10 more dmg. Whats point of your coment, that TDs need to get 0 xp just because they are behind ?? I mean WTF

I don't believe you. Post the stats of you doing damage below 100m and the Löwe doing 0 assist dmg.

 

 

Y won't u just read what is in the link?

Read it, understand it, then u can explain it to yourself.

 

How much spotting did the Löwe do?

I don't know, because u did not supply this information.

At what distance did the Löwe do the damage?

I dont know, because u did not supply this information.

 

There is nothing for anybody to explain, because we are lacking crucial information, YOU have access to.


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But how explain this one?

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General_Jack_D_Ripper #11 Posted 27 May 2020 - 01:59 PM

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Easy, just Read this.

We are lacking information.

You have all the information, read the link, watch the replay and explain it to yourself.


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So Damage blocked by armor means nothing? It's so complicated :sceptic:

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View PostGeneral_Jack_D_Ripper, on 27 May 2020 - 01:37 PM, said:

I don't believe you. Post the stats of you doing damage below 100m and the Löwe doing 0 assist dmg.

 

 

Y won't u just read what is in the link?

Read it, understand it, then u can explain it to yourself.

 

How much spotting did the Löwe do?

I don't know, because u did not supply this information.

At what distance did the Löwe do the damage?

I dont know, because u did not supply this information.

 

There is nothing for anybody to explain, because we are lacking crucial information, YOU have access to.

 

So if he spot he should have assited dmg, or dmg on spotting. He had 0.  What distance !!??? Are the [edited]is matter that you do 200 dmg from 10m or 10km, and someone else make 3k+ dmg from any distance. Whats logic is that dont get it.

 

What you suggest is that I go in first line make 200dmg, and die and yeaaaaaa I have mpre exp from someone who is fighting all the battle and who had 10 times more dmg. I mean WTF is that logic.

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I found results some of the players in front of me thats has much less dmg and minor assist dmg. Lowe had 0 assist, nothing spot and hade 700 blocking dgmg.

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View PostM1thr4ndir, on 27 May 2020 - 11:07 AM, said:

 

.Yeah but what is logic that you fight all the time, make 10 times more dmg from someone, and then that one guy make one shot in game and get kill and he get more exp then you. There is no logic. Its only encouraging camping and kill stilling. Its stupid and wrong mechanic.

no such thing as kill stealing grow up



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View Postwsatnutter, on 27 May 2020 - 04:15 PM, said:

no such thing as kill stealing grow up


Sometimes its like a children´s playground "reeeeee... i wanted this one, i already called dips on it you stole it reeeeeeeee".

 



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View PostM1thr4ndir, on 27 May 2020 - 03:54 PM, said:

 

So if he spot he should have assited dmg, or dmg on spotting. He had 0.  What distance !!??? Are the [edited]is matter that you do 200 dmg from 10m or 10km, and someone else make 3k+ dmg from any distance. Whats logic is that dont get it.

 

What you suggest is that I go in first line make 200dmg, and die and yeaaaaaa I have mpre exp from someone who is fighting all the battle and who had 10 times more dmg. I mean WTF is that logic.

15:01 Added after 7 minute
I found results some of the players in front of me thats has much less dmg and minor assist dmg. Lowe had 0 assist, nothing spot and hade 700 blocking dgmg.


Thats hapening when playing 10 tier with 9,8 tiers. But why this hapening when all 10 tier :facepalm:



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View PostM1thr4ndir, on 27 May 2020 - 03:54 PM, said:

 

So if he spot he should have assited dmg, or dmg on spotting. He had 0.  What distance !!??? Are the [edited]is matter that you do 200 dmg from 10m or 10km, and someone else make 3k+ dmg from any distance. Whats logic is that dont get it.

 

 

 

You shared your xp with those spotting your targets as you sat at the back farming damage of tier eights. He drove right up to a tier ten, shot at it, penned it once and died.

 

The system is designed to provide some extra reward for those unfortunate enough to be low tiered and to discourage the top tiers from sitting on the red line, camping it up. 



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View Postnemocus, on 27 May 2020 - 06:08 PM, said:


Thats hapening when playing 10 tier with 9,8 tiers. But why this hapening when all 10 tier :facepalm:

 

Yeah this was just an example. But happened me lots even when are all tier X.

 

View PostSlyspy, on 27 May 2020 - 08:33 PM, said:

 

You shared your xp with those spotting your targets as you sat at the back farming damage of tier eights. He drove right up to a tier ten, shot at it, penned it once and died.

 

The system is designed to provide some extra reward for those unfortunate enough to be low tiered and to discourage the top tiers from sitting on the red line, camping it up. 

 

 

Just make no sense because or you go in first line or sit in back (well TDs are suppose to be in back as support special no arrmor ones) and still will be situation where some players will get more XP then you because XY unknown reason. Like say this is not only battle where was like this, just one example, but even in all tier X battles I see lots of things like this, non sense XP ranking.


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View PostM1thr4ndir, on 27 May 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

Can someone explain me how the hell game count exp, because I make 3,2k dmg in Obj 264 v4 and dont enter even in top 10. And Lowe with 1 kill and 260 dmg are in front of me??? And its not first time that it happened. I go and check rest of team, with lower dmg, and see that they dont have any assistent dmg or between 300-400 only. And no matters how many dmg I make always be this strange exp difference.

Simple answer, the game decided the Lowe was more use for his tier than you were for yours.

 

View Postnemocus, on 27 May 2020 - 02:27 PM, said:

So Damage blocked by armor means nothing? It's so complicated :sceptic:


In random battles blocked damage does not give exp.  It was talked about but WG decided it was too complicated.



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View PostM1thr4ndir, on 27 May 2020 - 08:48 PM, said:

 

 

Just make no sense because or you go in first line or sit in back (well TDs are suppose to be in back as support special no arrmor ones) and still will be situation where some players will get more XP then you because XY unknown reason. Like say this is not only battle where was like this, just one example, but even in all tier X battles I see lots of things like this, non sense XP ranking.

 

The reasons are not unknown, you have been given the information. Use it and work things out for yourself. Also take a look at tanksgg and compare the relative strengths of the your Obj and various tier eight tanks.






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