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Pedro_Agnus #1 Posted 28 May 2020 - 01:06 PM

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Hi everyone,

Sure, maybe there's a topic (which I wasn't able to find) around this matter but what you feel about the current APCR and HEAT rounds in WOT? I find myself in battles (mainly in TIer VIII & X) where the only thing I see are.... this type of ammo.
Like today:
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Sure is not all the time but players no longer care anymore at "aiming" (what's that?) or putting themselves on a good position to approach enemies safely... and why? Full APCR loaded!

This happens even more in Random when Frontline mode is ON because players can get more credits from there. I know WG is working around this but as far as I know is on hold now... Major due the HE "mistake"!

As far I'm concern the "special rounds" are ruining the game experience to many players (I know we can only pen 279e and bla bla bla with this rounds - that's a dif topic!)
The image I've attached was on a Tier VIII battle while driving my old CDC (paper tank!) and I'm not sure if is due the Corona virus but players are afraid of using normal rounds! :unsure: Is not anymore because they are facing a well armored tank! 
I can only imagine they believe covid-19 started by using normal rounds.... But in my opinion the real "pandemic" are the special rounds!
(Folks, this is just an analogy! Dont get mad!)

Well.... Good battles everyone.


Edited by Pedro_Agnus, 28 May 2020 - 01:29 PM.


Private_Miros #2 Posted 28 May 2020 - 01:11 PM

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So, how exactly did getting hit with premium rounds in your CDC ruin your game experience?

Masternaut #3 Posted 28 May 2020 - 01:13 PM

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Wait? You are saying 279 and 430U can be penetrated? 

View PostPedro_Agnus, on 28 May 2020 - 01:06 PM, said:

As far I'm concern the "special rounds" are ruining the game experience to many players (I know we can only pen 279e and bla bla bla with this rounds - that's a dif topic!)

 



Pedro_Agnus #4 Posted 28 May 2020 - 01:23 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 28 May 2020 - 12:11 PM, said:

So, how exactly did getting hit with premium rounds in your CDC ruin your game experience?

That's a perspective of a player who always use APCR! ....
I tell you this: Lansen was shoting APCR right? At my CDC.... Wasn't he able to pen me using normal rounds? DEFINITELY YES! Why spaming "special rounds" on a paper tank? Just because he can right? Sure... Not the point! The point is... Was not even needed!!!!
Was just an example how players use APCR no matter what! No skill... No aim... Nothing!

Get it? :ohmy:


Edited by Pedro_Agnus, 28 May 2020 - 01:23 PM.


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View PostPedro_Agnus, on 28 May 2020 - 01:06 PM, said:

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Borrasque has apcr as standard ammo tho. Just saying. 



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Bourrasque reloads 20 seconds for two shots. No one is going to reload normal ammo, if they have shots against a low armored target.

 

EDIT: Oh it has even APCR as regular rounds.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 28 May 2020 - 01:25 PM.


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Why does it matter? He wasted credits for nothing. His problem?

Objec7 #8 Posted 28 May 2020 - 01:28 PM

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View PostPedro_Agnus, on 28 May 2020 - 01:06 PM, said:

Hi everyone,

Sure, maybe there's a topic (which I wasn't able to find) around this matter but what you feel about the current APCR and HEAT rounds in WOT? I find myself in battles (mainly in TIer VIII & X) where the only thing I see are.... this type of ammo.
Like today:
Posted Image

 

Sure is not all the time but players no longer care anymore at "aiming" (what's that?) or putting themselves on a good position to approach enemies safely... and why? Full APCR loaded!

This happens even more in Random when Frontline mode is ON because players can get more credits from there. I know WG is working around this but as far as I know is on hold now... Major due the HE "mistake"!

As far I'm concern the "special rounds" are ruining the game experience to many players (I know we can only pen 279e and bla bla bla with this rounds - that's a dif topic!)
The image I've attached was on a Tier VIII battle while driving my old CDC (paper tank!) and I'm not sure if is due the Corona virus but players are afraid of using normal rounds! :unsure: Is not anymore because they are facing a well armored tank! 
I can only imagine they believe covid-19 started by using normal rounds.... But in my opinion the real "pandemic" are the special rounds!
(Folks, this is just an analogy! Dont get mad!)

Well.... Good battles everyone.

You do under 2k dpg on almost every tank you own, maybe the problem is you not that you get goldspammed like the rest of us?



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APCR has better shell velocity - on big maps it helps to hit any shots.

 

For T110E4 sniping i always go APCR - no matter what the target is.



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View PostPedro_Agnus, on 28 May 2020 - 01:23 PM, said:

That's a perspective of a player who always use APCR! ....
I tell you this: Lansen was shoting APCR right? At my CDC.... Wasn't he able to pen me using normal rounds? DEFINITELY YES! Why spaming "special rounds" on a paper tank? Just because he can right? Sure... Not the point! The point is... Was not even needed!!!!
Was just an example how players use APCR no matter what! No skill... No aim... Nothing!

Get it? :ohmy:


Have you considered that said Lansen might have used his standard ammo and currently has nothing but premium APCR to shoot?Or that he changed ammo to deal with something that required premium ammo( better penetration/velocity) and simply forgot to change back to standard?


Edited by Galan7891, 28 May 2020 - 01:31 PM.


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View PostPedro_Agnus, on 28 May 2020 - 12:23 PM, said:

That's a perspective of a player who always use APCR! ....
I tell you this: Lansen was shoting APCR right? At my CDC.... Wasn't he able to pen me using normal rounds? DEFINITELY YES! Why spaming "special rounds" on a paper tank? Just because he can right? Sure... Not the point! The point is... Was not even needed!!!!
Was just an example how players use APCR no matter what! No skill... No aim... Nothing!

Get it? :ohmy:

 

Yes, that is the point. It's not even needed. So how were you affected? In what way did this ruin your gaming experience? This is not clear from your thread.

 

You get penned in CDC no matter what, no skill, no aim, nothing. So in what way has a player having a larger ammo bill affected your gameplay?


Edited by Private_Miros, 28 May 2020 - 01:33 PM.


Pedro_Agnus #12 Posted 28 May 2020 - 01:32 PM

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Guys..... 

View PostMarlekin, on 28 May 2020 - 12:24 PM, said:

 

Borrasque has apcr as standard ammo tho. Just saying. 

 

View PostTankkiPoju, on 28 May 2020 - 12:24 PM, said:

Bourrasque reloads 20 seconds for two shots. No one is going to reload normal ammo, if they have shots against a low armored target.

 

EDIT: Oh it has even APCR as regular rounds.

I've edited the image.... The point here is, like the Lansen!!!!!, players load APCR no matter what they face or the tanks layout on the enemy side.... you have lost yourselves while reading it I guess...



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View PostPedro_Agnus, on 28 May 2020 - 01:23 PM, said:

Get it? :ohmy:

 

Not really. You have better chance of bouncing APCR with your AMX CDC than regular rounds, so it's actually only better for you. HEAT would be even better for you.

 

So why would you care.



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I dont buy the claim that "all ammo we see in tier8 & 10 battles is prem ammo".

Edited by Maschinenkanone, 28 May 2020 - 01:33 PM.


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View PostObjec7, on 28 May 2020 - 12:28 PM, said:

You do under 2k dpg on almost every tank you own, maybe the problem is you not that you get goldspammed like the rest of us?

Typical WOT community player... Cares more about my average damage than the topic itself! ahahahahah
Oh christ.... Over and out. 85% of this comments have nothing to do with the topic! 
(.... go ahead! Say whatever you want but i was trying to discuss something about the game and you guys care more about my damage or getting excuses for Lansen have a full load of APCR's.... WTF guys.....!) You don't even care about the game anymore...
 



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View PostPedro_Agnus, on 28 May 2020 - 12:37 PM, said:

Typical WOT community player... Cares more about my average damage than the topic itself! ahahahahah
Oh christ.... Over and out. 85% of this comments have nothing to do with the topic! 
(.... go ahead! Say whatever you want but i was trying to discuss something about the game and you guys care more about my damage or getting excuses for Lansen have a full load of APCR's.... WTF guys.....!) You don't even care about the game anymore...
 

 

But what is the topic? How was your gameplay affected by getting hit by premium ammo rather than regular ammo in your CDC?

 

(On a side note, that Bourrasque was shooting premium APCR. The hitlog gives a grey APCR if it's standard.)


Edited by Private_Miros, 28 May 2020 - 01:45 PM.


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View PostPedro_Agnus, on 28 May 2020 - 01:37 PM, said:

Typical WOT community player... Cares more about my average damage than the topic itself! ahahahahah
Oh christ.... Over and out. 85% of this comments have nothing to do with the topic! 
(.... go ahead! Say whatever you want but i was trying to discuss something about the game and you guys care more about my damage or getting excuses for Lansen have a full load of APCR's.... WTF guys.....!) You don't even care about the game anymore...
 

 

You're missing the point. You were in a CDC. You should be thankful he fired gold at you and not HE.



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Not sure why you let him pump so many shots into you in the first place...

 

And I struggle to see the issue here. If someone wants to waste credits donking prem into your CDC, who cares. Just have a laugh at him wasting his credits and be glad he didn't activate brian.exe and started firing HE.



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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 28 May 2020 - 12:11 PM, said:

So, how exactly did getting hit with premium rounds in your CDC ruin your game experience?

 

Because if it gets spammed at a CDC, it also gets spammed at tanks which would normally (potentially) bounce the standard ammunition.

It's not about what specific vehicle he is driving at this point in time, it's about the rampant goldspam we see nowadays in this game which impacts all tanks.

 

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 28 May 2020 - 01:43 PM, said:

(On a side note, that Bourrasque was shooting premium APCR. The hitlog gives a grey APCR if it's standard.)

 

 Ahh, I see! Thanks for taking a sec to explain that. 

 

 

 

 

 





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