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NUKLEAR_SLUG #61 Posted 29 May 2020 - 08:49 PM

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View PostRagoutrabbit, on 29 May 2020 - 08:12 PM, said:

Pay to win game what do you expect?

 

How much did you pay WG for your win rate then? 



Ragoutrabbit #62 Posted 29 May 2020 - 09:02 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 29 May 2020 - 08:49 PM, said:

 

How much did you pay WG for your win rate then? 

 

You mean this account that win rate and WN8 is in free fall because I can't compete competitively anymore?



Private_Miros #63 Posted 29 May 2020 - 09:16 PM

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View PostRagoutrabbit, on 29 May 2020 - 08:02 PM, said:

 

You mean this account that win rate and WN8 is in free fall because I can't compete competitively anymore?

 

Yes, because you really need any premium benefit to reach the giddy heights of 1500 WN8 and 54% in tier 6.

 

I mea you're right that premium and free xp buys you overal tank stats in higher tiers, because you can skip stock grinds. But apart from that the difference between spamming prammo and using it only when needed is absolutely minimal.


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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 29 May 2020 - 09:16 PM, said:

 

Yes, because you really need any premium benefit to reach the giddy heights of 1500 WN8 and 54% in tier 6.

 

I mea you're right that premium and free xp buys you overal tank stats in higher tiers, because you can skip stock grinds. But apart from that the difference between spamming prammo and using it only when needed is absolutely minimal.

 

WN8 is currently around the 1100 mark when it used to be in the 1650-1700 range, you can not compete against players that have better everything compared to you it's like a local school swimmer competing against a olympic athlete.



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View PostRagoutrabbit, on 29 May 2020 - 09:02 PM, said:

 

You mean this account that win rate and WN8 is in free fall because I can't compete competitively anymore?

 

Yes, I presume you must have stopped paying now if your stats are going down due to WG punishing your account, so how much did you pay for your 54% originally? 



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View PostRagoutrabbit, on 29 May 2020 - 09:28 PM, said:

 

WN8 is currently around the 1100 mark when it used to be in the 1650-1700 range, you can not compete against players that have better everything compared to you it's like a local school swimmer competing against a olympic athlete.

 

Dude i have been away for 2 years and seem to have no problems to continue where i have left and i haven´t paid a dime since i returned.

Money makes it easier in this game but not to an extend that you can git gud just by throwing money at wg.



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View PostRagoutrabbit, on 29 May 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

 

WN8 is currently around the 1100 mark when it used to be in the 1650-1700 range, you can not compete against players that have better everything compared to you it's like a local school swimmer competing against a olympic athlete.

 

Play better? Because at 1100 to 1700 no amount of premium benefits is going to fix that. You can shoot prammo with food all day long and not get 1700 without the basis.

You either took a long break and completely lost your skill (and/or didn't adapt and don't even want to try improving) or you simply got those earlier stats in lower tiers where you are more comfortable.

 

Besides, the average player on the teams is in the paralympics (actually that's rude for those great people that overcome their issues and work to their ability, because I use them as an allegory for people that aren't doing exactly that). Just reading your minimap and reacting to that appropriately is unfair plane. I get gold ammo on my hitlog rarely, and when it does it comes from the 20k 300WN8 44% muppet as much as it comes from the 2k 3500 68% reroll.

 

Learn from your mistakes instead of telling yourself bullcrap. Premium gives an advantage, and someone skipping all grinds and spamming prammo will have better stats than someone who doesn't with equal skill, but 1700 is nowhere near the upper limit what you are able to achieve playing well in just about anything but the most broken stock tanks by just positioning well.


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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 29 May 2020 - 08:38 PM, said:

Besides, the average player on the teams is in the paralympics 

 

Nah they are more like the fat dad's that have to compete in their child's school sports day. 



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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 29 May 2020 - 09:38 PM, said:

 

 

Besides, the average player on the teams is in the paralympics

 

Explains why WG added all the participation trophies, aka commemorative tokens. At first i thought they wanted to appeal to the cod crowd... but its probably the same kind of people.



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View Posttajj7, on 29 May 2020 - 09:10 PM, said:

 

Nah they are more like the fat dad's that have to compete in their child's school sports day. 

There's nothing wrong with winning. :hiding:



MrKrotchy #71 Posted 29 May 2020 - 10:32 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 29 May 2020 - 08:15 PM, said:

Why would I? Because try to use prammo only without spending any cash or having premium benefits.

I don't play with a full gold lay out even with premium, I don't know anyone that does. Well looking at the loadouts on YT it seems alot of people go 80-100% prammo.

I don't use it on my alt which is F2P. Is it because you can't? Because it might be *gasp* p2w and you can't afford it? Kind of proves my point.



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View PostMrKrotchy, on 29 May 2020 - 09:32 PM, said:

Is it because you can't? Because it might be *gasp* p2w and you can't afford it? Kind of proves my point.

No...it's because I don't need to while keeping a better WR than my main....which negates your point. But hey!...if you need to spam prem ammo to keep your high WR....I won't complain, it's part of the game, so spam away!

 



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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 29 May 2020 - 10:39 PM, said:

No...it's because I don't need to while keeping a better WR than my main....which negates your point. But hey!...if you need to spam prem ammo to keep your high WR....I won't complain, it's part of the game, so spam away!

 

Oh don't worry about my WR, it's still going up and I don't even carry more than 5 shots or 2 clips of prammo on a tank or premium consumables. And keeping a better WR on your alt is a nice meme, starting in low tiers with all the knowledge and getting better stats is easy irregardless of prammo so my point isn't negated at all.

 

For the first 15k games I didn't fire a single gold shell because saving up for the next in line tank with standard was a grind enough so yes, prammo and pconsumables are p2w.

 



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View PostMrKrotchy, on 29 May 2020 - 09:52 PM, said:

Oh don't worry about my WR, it's still going up and I don't even carry more than 5 shots or 2 clips of prammo on a tank or premium consumables. 

That's nice, so you agree with me and it's not as big a problem as you were making out.....it took a bit to get there, but at least we agree.:great:



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View PostMimos_A, on 28 May 2020 - 02:12 PM, said:

 

Every time I drive something with armour, the HE spam frustrates me a lot more than the prem.

 

Agreed, HE is horrible :(



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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 29 May 2020 - 10:55 PM, said:

That's nice, so you agree with me and it's not as big a problem as you were making out.....it took a bit to get there, but at least we agree.:great:

Oh no, you missed the point. Just because I'm a masochist and have some sort of a "principle" or whatever doesn't mean it's not a problem, because it very much is.

I had a period where I checked every shot I did in armor inspector mod and if I went full gold I'd've an extra 2-3 penning shots per game (sometimes more sometimes less depending on the MM). That's a nice bump to WN8 and I'd recon over alot of games it would be a 1-3% WR bump. 

 

And that's prammo only. Not including all the times where you get track/ammo or track/engine and you're either painfully combat ineffective or worse, dead and unable to do more damage just because you didn't have premium consumables that are also just flat out better.

 


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View PostMrKrotchy, on 29 May 2020 - 10:24 PM, said:

Oh no, you missed the point. Just because I'm a masochist and have some sort of a "principle" or whatever doesn't mean it's not a problem, because it very much is.

I had a period where I checked every shot I did in armor inspector mod and if I went full gold I'd've an extra 2-3 penning shots per game (sometimes more sometimes less depending on the MM). That's a nice bump to WN8 and I'd recon over alot of games it would be a 1-3% WR bump. 

 

Oh....so you depend on premium ammo for your high WR.



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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 29 May 2020 - 11:26 PM, said:

Oh....so you depend on premium ammo for your high WR.

"...and if I went full gold..."

The key word here being "IF".



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View PostMrKrotchy, on 29 May 2020 - 10:30 PM, said:

"...and if I went full gold..."

The key word here being "IF".

So.....you believe your present high WR would not be possible without that Gold ammo that you carry now.

If you went full gold, I don't think you'd do any better....seriously.



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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 29 May 2020 - 11:52 PM, said:

So.....you believe your present high WR would not be possible without that Gold ammo that you carry now.

If you went full gold, I don't think you'd do any better....seriously.

You mean those few shots that I save for a very select few targets that I don't meet every game and because of that I rarely actually fire off any of my gold shells? And you compare that to going full gold every game? Yeah, you think wrong.

If you have a statistically outright better ammo/consumable it's only natural that if you used exclusively those you'd get a statistical bump compared to using the standard ones only.






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