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Deathincookie #1 Posted 31 May 2020 - 08:32 PM

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How is this possible? Why I'm not in the 1st place? Is it because he fired 147 shots with a machine gun??

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The_Naa #2 Posted 31 May 2020 - 08:44 PM

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he did spot more tanks than you.

LethalWalou #3 Posted 31 May 2020 - 08:50 PM

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View PostDeathincookie, on 31 May 2020 - 07:32 PM, said:

How is this possible? Why I'm not in the 1st place? Is it because he fired 147 shots with a machine gun??

 

Like always with this kind of topics, post the replay. We won't know anything from just couple of photos. It matters what happened in the battle and how that damage was dealt. Not that I actually even want to start watching a tier 2 replay... Maybe someone else can. Also take a look at the wiki



Immensive #4 Posted 31 May 2020 - 09:15 PM

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As far as I can see from the screenshots, he gets a higher bonus for being lowtier and has a lot more first spots.

StronkiTonki #5 Posted 31 May 2020 - 09:19 PM

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Most likely has to do with the fact that you were playing a tier 3 tank, most likely shooting tier 2 tanks.

While the other guy was playing a tier 2 tank, probably only shooting tier 3 tanks.



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He haxxed.

Bulldog_Drummond #7 Posted 31 May 2020 - 10:19 PM

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View PostDeathincookie, on 31 May 2020 - 07:32 PM, said:

How is this possible? Why I'm not in the 1st place? Is it because he fired 147 shots with a machine gun??

 

Robert Graves, who climbed with Mallory, in his autobiography recounts this story, at the time famous in climbing circles, about an ascent that Mallory made as a young man in 1908:

"My friend George Mallory .... once did an inexplicable climb on Snowdon. He had left his pipe on a ledge, half-way down one of the Liwedd precipices, and scrambled back by a short cut to retrieve it, then up again by the same route. No one saw what route he took, but when they came to examine it the next day for official record, they found an overhang nearly all the way. By a rule of the Climbers' Club, climbs are never named in honour of their inventors, but only describe natural features. An exception was made here. The climb was recorded as follows: 'Mallory's Pipe, a variation on route 2; see adjoining map. This climb is totally impossible. It has been performed once, in failing light, by Mr G. H. L. Mallory.'".

The route is now called "Mallory's Slab", a hard V Diff on Y Lliwedd



Balc0ra #8 Posted 31 May 2020 - 11:04 PM

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View PostDeathincookie, on 31 May 2020 - 08:32 PM, said:

How is this possible? Why I'm not in the 1st place? Is it because he fired 147 shots with a machine gun??

 

Who knows. As those screens only tell half the story, as we don't know what both of you did or did not do. And how much he fired does not matter, as you don't get XP for shots doing nothing.

 

But for starters, if all that damage he did was vs tier III, he already got one edge over you. Even more so if you mainly fired on lower tiers. That and if you fired on targets not spotted by you for the most part, and he did on his own spotting. That's 50% XP loss per damage point, that he might not have gotten.

 

Also he had 6 first spots, you had 1. That's 5 small bonuses he got, that you did not get on top of it. But... still a few variables we don't know. As again, screens only tell half the story.



moenie #9 Posted 31 May 2020 - 11:07 PM

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From those pics it does look like the player in question spotted more tanks, hit more shots, blocked shots as well as traveled a lot further in distance (this is considered being more active)

Playing an active role in battle by spotting for others and self spotting damage is generally rewarded more than just staying at back farming.

It also depends on what tier you were against, as said above, the higher the tier you fight against the more rewarded you are

 

For a full explanation on how exp is awarded, check this page:

https://wiki.wargami...nce_and_Credits


Edited by moenie, 31 May 2020 - 11:24 PM.


malachi6 #10 Posted 31 May 2020 - 11:45 PM

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Is it fair that people that have been playing for less than one hour get to meet you when you appear to play almost exclusively tier two?  Play whatever tier you like.  I do however feel it is a little hypocritical that you feel unfairly treated.



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View Postmalachi6, on 31 May 2020 - 10:45 PM, said:

Is it fair that people that have been playing for less than one hour get to meet you when you appear to play almost exclusively tier two?  Play whatever tier you like.  I do however feel it is a little hypocritical that you feel unfairly treated.

 

It is not for us to judge how someone else likes to play the game.

Some enjoy mastering a specific tier, others enjoy collecting. 

 

it is how they like to play and every player is different.



Inappropriate_noob #12 Posted 01 June 2020 - 12:53 AM

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View PostDeathincookie, on 31 May 2020 - 08:32 PM, said:

How is this possible? Why I'm not in the 1st place? Is it because he fired 147 shots with a machine gun??

No nothing fair, ever:trollface:



malachi6 #13 Posted 01 June 2020 - 01:44 AM

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View Postmoenie, on 31 May 2020 - 11:51 PM, said:

 

It is not for us to judge how someone else likes to play the game.

Some enjoy mastering a specific tier, others enjoy collecting. 

 

it is how they like to play and every player is different.

 

I did not judge his playstyle. I judge his asking for fairness while his choice of playstyle can be seen to be unfair to others.  I could easily be making an assumption, am working off very little evidence.



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View Postmalachi6, on 01 June 2020 - 01:44 AM, said:

I did not judge his playstyle. I judge his asking for fairness while his choice of playstyle can be seen to be unfair to others.  I could easily be making an assumption, am working off very little evidence.

Everyone judges all the time, have no worries about that mate.



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View Postmalachi6, on 31 May 2020 - 10:45 PM, said:

Is it fair that people that have been playing for less than one hour get to meet you when you appear to play almost exclusively tier two?  Play whatever tier you like.  I do however feel it is a little hypocritical that you feel unfairly treated.

 

It actually raises an interesting point that maybe people playing tier 4 and below then they have thousands upon thousands of battles should maybe actually get an XP and Credit handicap, like -25% to credits and XP, and newer players who damage and kill these sealclubbers get +25%, might discourage a few seal clubbers. 

 

Kind of how like +2 tanks get less XP for shooting -2 tanks because it's a lot easier for them, it's a lot easier for very experienced players to kill newbies, so they shouldn't get the XP you would get in a fairer fight. 



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View PostDeathincookie, on 31 May 2020 - 08:32 PM, said:

How is this possible? Why I'm not in the 1st place? Is it because he fired 147 shots with a machine gun??

 

This recent thread on the same subject might interest you.

I actually posted a replay.

Only 2-3 people downloaded it.

Almost all of the posters made a lot of assumptions.

I debunked almost all of it.

Almost all of them missed the point about the unfair XP distribution, but focused instead on the minute difference in the score.

Almost all of them ignored the fact that my damage dealt + spotting was superior to the other tank.

The only thing left was that I died, the other tank didn't + the other tank was an EBR and mine wasn't (wheeled might get an unfair advantage also in the XP calculations).


Edited by hjorte, 01 June 2020 - 09:28 AM.


TheJungleBeast #17 Posted 01 June 2020 - 09:36 AM

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Seal clubbers get less points bonus for ruining the early game expereinces of people that started playing yesterday...Is that fair ?

 


Edited by TheJungleBeast, 01 June 2020 - 09:39 AM.


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View Posttajj7, on 01 June 2020 - 09:08 AM, said:

 

It actually raises an interesting point that maybe people playing tier 4 and below then they have thousands upon thousands of battles should maybe actually get an XP and Credit handicap, like -25% to credits and XP, and newer players who damage and kill these sealclubbers get +25%, might discourage a few seal clubbers. 

 

Kind of how like +2 tanks get less XP for shooting -2 tanks because it's a lot easier for them, it's a lot easier for very experienced players to kill newbies, so they shouldn't get the XP you would get in a fairer fight. 

 

As a counter argument, it's a lot better if people actually grinding through the lower tiers get normal xp so they're out again after a game or two.

 

The credit handicap would be a good one though.

 

Overall they should just ramp up the noob protection. I don't want to play with or against people who started playing last week. It's not fun for them, nor for me, no matter the tier.


Edited by Mimos_A, 01 June 2020 - 09:52 AM.


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View Posthjorte, on 01 June 2020 - 08:24 AM, said:

 

This recent thread on the same subject might interest you.

I actually posted a replay.

Only 2-3 people downloaded it.

Almost all of the posters made a lot of assumptions.

I debunked almost all of it.

Almost all of them missed the point about the unfair XP distribution, but focused instead on the minute difference in the score.

Almost all of them ignored the fact that my damage dealt + spotting was superior to the other tank.

The only thing left was that I died, the other tank didn't + the other tank was an EBR and mine wasn't (wheeled might get an unfair advantage also in the XP calculations).

the computerised tally system assumed, quite correctly, that unlike the other player, you are a whiney arsed scouse wannabee.



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View Posthjorte, on 01 June 2020 - 08:24 AM, said:

 

This recent thread on the same subject might interest you.

I actually posted a replay.

Only 2-3 people downloaded it.

Almost all of the posters made a lot of assumptions.

I debunked almost all of it.

Almost all of them missed the point about the unfair XP distribution, but focused instead on the minute difference in the score.

Almost all of them ignored the fact that my damage dealt + spotting was superior to the other tank.

The only thing left was that I died, the other tank didn't + the other tank was an EBR and mine wasn't (wheeled might get an unfair advantage also in the XP calculations).


Interesting meaning you have to ‘almost all’ there.






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