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Trubkaman #1 Posted 02 June 2020 - 01:49 PM

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Why do these tanks suck so much ? The Patton is combination of everyting bad and the Panther II is combination of everything bad except gun.

TheJungleBeast #2 Posted 02 June 2020 - 01:54 PM

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I thought people liked the  Patton ?

 



Kdingo #3 Posted 02 June 2020 - 01:56 PM

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I like the m46, works great with the 105mm howitzer.

Balc0ra #4 Posted 02 June 2020 - 02:00 PM

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M46 is arguably one of the worst stock grinds I've done. As even tier 7 meds out DPM you with the stock or mid guns. But... elite it's rather a rather sweet tank.

 

But yeah, I had little love for the Panther II back in the day. Tho I've not played it after it got the L100 gun that made the E50 rather fun.



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Patton is still very good but only if you press 2 2 in the start of the battle. 

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View Posttrispect, on 02 June 2020 - 01:05 PM, said:

Patton is still very good but only if you press 2 2 in the start of the battle. 

 

Certainly not going to deny it helps and I carry pretty much a 50/50 loadout in it, but tier 9 is the MM sweetspot and you get loads of games against tier 7s and 8s where the AP is more than fine. 

 

I do always find it funny though when tier 10s complain about the Patton firing 'gold' ammo APCR when it has the same pen as many standard tier 9 meds. 



MaxandChloe4ever #7 Posted 02 June 2020 - 03:05 PM

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The Panther does suck a bit.

Though the M46 is pretty decent in my opinion. It has a rapid-firing gun with good alpha damage. The only thing sucks about it is the penetration, though it should not be a big problem if you are fighting against not very well-armored medium tanks.



Tigerfish_Torpedo #8 Posted 02 June 2020 - 03:11 PM

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View PostTheJungleBeast, on 02 June 2020 - 01:54 PM, said:

I thought people liked the Patton ?

 

 

Little dab of the 2 key... Hey presto, the thing works! 



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View Posttajj7, on 02 June 2020 - 03:04 PM, said:

 

Certainly not going to deny it helps and I carry pretty much a 50/50 loadout in it, but tier 9 is the MM sweetspot and you get loads of games against tier 7s and 8s where the AP is more than fine. 

 

I do always find it funny though when tier 10s complain about the Patton firing 'gold' ammo APCR when it has the same pen as many standard tier 9 meds. 

 

True the ap pen is for the most part more then sufficient, unless you find yourself in a corridor against super heavies without an option to disengage or flank... then 2 key is the only viable option.



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View PostTigerfish_Torpedo, on 02 June 2020 - 05:11 PM, said:

 

Little dab of the 2 key... Hey presto, the thing works! 

 

Duh, I don't have to press the 2 key, I know all keys work on my keyboard.



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View PostTrubkaman, on 02 June 2020 - 12:49 PM, said:

Why do these tanks suck so much ? The Patton is combination of everyting bad and the Panther II is combination of everything bad except gun.

 

At tier IX the M46 Patton is a decent tank, good all rounder and very good at snap shoots (not so good at brawling). Sure the standard round penetration is somewhat lackluster but that is all about how alert the player is as to when to dab the 2 key.

 

Panther II I do not have happy memories of and sold it. I kept the e50 and made a new crew for it, and have the e50M with a decent crew in it.



TheJungleBeast #12 Posted 02 June 2020 - 05:23 PM

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I thought I would get the Patton as  I liked the T20 so much, can't seem to click with it for some reason, feels clunky to me, and the top speed bugs me, gun hits like a truck and lot's of people really like it, I just can't seem to enjoy it and use it well.

 



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Powercreep

 



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Patton is decent, I really enjoy it an I'm terrible at tier eight an above. Grind was awful though. 

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View PostTrubkaman, on 02 June 2020 - 01:49 PM, said:

Why do these tanks suck so much ? The Patton is combination of everyting bad and the Panther II is combination of everything bad except gun.

 

Patton is amazing. One of the best guns in the game. Decent turret. Awesome VR and fantastic gun dep. Panther II isnt stellar but no tier 8 techtree MTs is. 

 

Besides Patton is one of your best performing tanks. So why are you complaining?

 


Edited by JocMeister, 02 June 2020 - 05:59 PM.


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I know lots of people love the M46. I personally just cannot see any reason to play it over, say, a Centurion 7/1.

Literally not a single reason. The only thing the M46 might have is DPM and view range, which instantly gets pretty useless cause of it's lacking pen and accuracy.

Could just be me, that I just prefer a more reliable tank that can be good at something specific, instead of a more jack of all trades tank that's supposedly decent at multiple things.

 

As for the Panther II, it has been a while since I played it, but I always enjoyed panthers for their bulkiness and ability to ram things. Guns always seemed to be pretty reliable to me as well.



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View PostStronkiTonki, on 02 June 2020 - 06:01 PM, said:

I know lots of people love the M46. I personally just cannot see any reason to play it over, say, a Centurion 7/1.

Literally not a single reason. The only thing the M46 might have is DPM and view range, which instantly gets pretty useless cause of it's lacking pen and accuracy.

What about better mobility, dpm and gun handling? 



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 03 June 2020 - 06:27 AM, said:

What about better mobility, dpm and gun handling? 

 

Gun handling and DPM, mobility they are pretty much the same, Cent might even edge it these days as it's slightly faster and has better ground resistances. 

 

But the Patton's gun handling is probably twice as good as the Cent 7/1s, which still has some of the worst gun handling on tier. 



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View Posttajj7, on 03 June 2020 - 07:31 AM, said:

 

Gun handling and DPM, mobility they are pretty much the same, Cent might even edge it these days as it's slightly faster and has better ground resistances. 

 

But the Patton's gun handling is probably twice as good as the Cent 7/1s, which still has some of the worst gun handling on tier. 

Patton has 10 to 15% better traverse, and ±10% better turret traverse. Centurion's mobility isn't bad, but Patton just feels more nimble. The enormous bloom of the Cent7 always really annoyed me. At least the dpm isn't thát bad anymore.



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lol, comparing patton to something like cent 7/1(which is 2nd worst tier 9 med after wz-120). sure sometimes patton really needs its 2 key, but thats mostly because of  armor powercreep. m46 has 4th(actually 3rd, because no one plays e50 with 8.8) highest dpm of any tier 9 med, combine that with epic VR, 10 degrees of gun depression, decent turret armor and you have one of the best tier 9 all-rounders, thats what exactly pattons are all about, they can do everything and are quite good at it. i can agree on panther 2 though - it has only the gun, but if you cant make a fully upgraded m46 work, you are doing something very wrong.

 

p.s. since when cent has the same dpm as m46 lol? centurion has something like 2,1k base at best? while patton has 2,6k base dpm, yes very simmilar dpm lol.


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