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gunslingerXXX #1 Posted 02 June 2020 - 08:16 PM

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9.18 crippled my beloved AMX ELC. 

 

Equipment 2.0 will now cripple my ELC EVEN 90? Is it just me or can you not get a passive spot setup now which uses normal equipment only? What use is a mobility slot on my EVEN 90??? To become proportionally even more slower than other lights?

 

Please tell me I'm dumb and missed something.. what I did wrong in my setup.


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qpranger #2 Posted 02 June 2020 - 08:20 PM

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But I am sure WG will soon come with another semi-fantasy, half-baked and hardly usable PREMIUM French light tank for you to buy and sort of enjoy for a while.

Infryndiira #3 Posted 02 June 2020 - 08:32 PM

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In Sandbox, my EVEN 90 has 53,74% concealment (13,43% after firing) and 482m view range. All I did was swap out my Vertical Stabiliser for the new Low Noise Exhaust System, and make sure it occupied my Scouting equipment slot. Other equipment I mount include Improved Ventilation in the mobility slot and Coated Optics in the general-purpose slot. I am also mounting Food on this particular vehicle.

 

On the live server, with the exact same crew, food, and Vertical Stabilisers instead of the Low Noise Exhaust, I have 46.47% concealment (11.62% after firing) and 479m view range. Could mount a Concealment directive in both instances to further augment the tank's stealth factor, but it doesn't have a significant impact besides min-maxing.

 

For the record, on Live the premium food contributes about 21m to the 479m view range value. I know it's not the same as using a camo net and binoculars, but it is still rather impressive and has allowed me to do some ridiculous positioning.

 

View Postqpranger, on 02 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

But I am sure WG will soon come with another semi-fantasy, half-baked and hardly usable PREMIUM French light tank for you to buy and sort of enjoy for a while.


You can see an ELC EVEN alongside other specimens of the ELC project, complete with a 90mm gun like in-game, in the Musée des Blindés in Saumur, France. You can also find photographs on Google.



tajj7 #4 Posted 02 June 2020 - 08:39 PM

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Turbocharger boosts the ELC Even engine by over 3 hp/ton, and engine power is one of its main weaknesses, it goes 70kph but struggles to get there because of the relatively low HP/ton.

 

Plus with optics and commanders visions system, you'd effectively have excellent visions against concealed targets, whilst having very high base camo anyway. 

 

Or you could use improved radio set + designated target skill + designated target directive and have targets you spotted lit up for a further 8s, which is an 80% increase.

 

There are loads of options for the Even 90, and ones that are less limiting than binos and camo net. 



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View Posttajj7, on 02 June 2020 - 09:39 PM, said:

Turbocharger boosts the ELC Even engine by over 3 hp/ton, and engine power is one of its main weaknesses, it goes 70kph but struggles to get there because of the relatively low HP/ton.

 

Plus with optics and commanders visions system, you'd effectively have excellent visions against concealed targets, whilst having very high base camo anyway. 

 

Or you could use improved radio set + designated target skill + designated target directive and have targets you spotted lit up for a further 8s, which is an 80% increase.

 

There are loads of options for the Even 90, and ones that are less limiting than binos and camo net. 


Very helpful, will experiment. Thanks!



gunslingerXXX #6 Posted 02 June 2020 - 08:53 PM

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View PostInfryndiira, on 02 June 2020 - 08:32 PM, said:

In Sandbox, my EVEN 90 has 53,74% concealment (13,43% after firing) and 482m view range. All I did was swap out my Vertical Stabiliser for the new Low Noise Exhaust System, and make sure it occupied my Scouting equipment slot. Other equipment I mount include Improved Ventilation in the mobility slot and Coated Optics in the general-purpose slot. I am also mounting Food on this particular vehicle.

 

On the live server, with the exact same crew, food, and Vertical Stabilisers instead of the Low Noise Exhaust, I have 46.47% concealment (11.62% after firing) and 479m view range. Could mount a Concealment directive in both instances to further augment the tank's stealth factor, but it doesn't have a significant impact besides min-maxing.

 

For the record, on Live the premium food contributes about 21m to the 479m view range value. I know it's not the same as using a camo net and binoculars, but it is still rather impressive and has allowed me to do some ridiculous positioning.

 


You can see an ELC EVEN alongside other specimens of the ELC project, complete with a 90mm gun like in-game, in the Musée des Blindés in Saumur, France. You can also find photographs on Google.

Effectively you've traded gun handling then to get quite similar spotting ( bit more camo).

 

On live I have binos, net and vents. 512m VR and 48.5% concealment. 

Sandbox: optics in vision slot, low noise in movement ans vents for equal comparison (and because I like vents, if you play without food vents and BIA significantly your crew skills) result: 465m VR & 44.5% concealment.

 

Seems to me lights with the traditional passive setup are crippled to put it mildly. 

 

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View Posttajj7, on 02 June 2020 - 08:39 PM, said:

Turbocharger boosts the ELC Even engine by over 3 hp/ton, and engine power is one of its main weaknesses, it goes 70kph but struggles to get there because of the relatively low HP/ton.

 

Plus with optics and commanders visions system, you'd effectively have excellent visions against concealed targets, whilst having very high base camo anyway. 

 

Or you could use improved radio set + designated target skill + designated target directive and have targets you spotted lit up for a further 8s, which is an 80% increase.

 

There are loads of options for the Even 90, and ones that are less limiting than binos and camo net. 

Thanks, will try. But I get the impression the update will result in even further P2W. No premium stuff, no bond stuff, no directives and no bounty stuff and my tank is no where near the tank it is on live. Sure I can improve handling, but I rather keep the option to have a sneaky scout.



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View PostgunslingerXXX, on 02 June 2020 - 09:53 PM, said:

Effectively you've traded gun handling then to get quite similar spotting ( bit more camo).

Indeed! Keep in mind that my proposed setup doesn't lose any of the camo or view range while on the move, which isn't the case for camo net and binoculars. While not as fun or active as tajj7's suggestions, this is a reliable passive scout setup even on live. On live, however, I feel that the food is necessary due to the comparatively low base view range. If you experiment on Sandbox I'm sure you'll find a silver lining that doesn't cost 20K credits per game.



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View PostInfryndiira, on 02 June 2020 - 10:32 PM, said:

 

You can see an ELC EVEN alongside other specimens of the ELC project, complete with a 90mm gun like in-game, in the Musée des Blindés in Saumur, France. You can also find photographs on Google.

 

Not with the in-game proportions compared to other tanks. Reminds me of those medieval paintings with the perspective all messed up.



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View PostgunslingerXXX, on 02 June 2020 - 07:16 PM, said:

Please tell me I'm dumb and missed something..

 

You're dumb and have missed something..



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View Postxtrem3x, on 02 June 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

 

You're dumb and have missed something..

Thank you. 

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View PostgunslingerXXX, on 02 June 2020 - 08:15 PM, said:

Thank you. 

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Galaxy_class #12 Posted 02 June 2020 - 10:17 PM

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Except EBRs with Triplex and cut through foliage in both spotting slots will stop the ELC from getting into favoured positions in the first place.

Infryndiira #13 Posted 02 June 2020 - 10:37 PM

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View PostGalaxy_class, on 02 June 2020 - 11:17 PM, said:

Except EBRs with Triplex and cut through foliage in both spotting slots will stop the ELC from getting into favoured positions in the first place.


Plausible, but it won't be in as extreme conditions all the time. EBRs in match making are mirrored, plus this is tier VIII MM we're talking about. The Panhard EBR and the Lynx both have ~373m VR on Live with Optics, Vents, Recon, Situational Awareness and BiA, which should impair them significantly in spotting the EVEN 90 in regular battle conditions, especially if the EVEN 90 is careful.

 

Based on testing I've seen on Twitch streams (in this particular example, ~53% camo EBR 105 being spotted by 570m VR LT with either of the two modules on QB's stream) it seems like that Triplex and Commander's Optics are more effective against tanks with regular or low camo values when it comes to thick bushes, whereas tanks with ~50% concealment cause them to have a significantly reduced effect. Specifically, with 570m VR and Triplex, the concealed tank was spotted by proxy when still, and at 65m when moving behind the bush; with 570m VR and Commander's Optics, it was at sub-100m ranges but further out.



TankkiPoju #14 Posted 03 June 2020 - 08:12 AM

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QB played EVEN 90 on sandbox server yesterday, and apparently you can get 500m view range with 56% camo with right equipment. That's 500m WITH OPTICS, not with binos.

 

Then again, you can get pretty much the same values with LT-432 also.



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Yeah WG trying to enforce module selection by refusing light tanks from mounting binoculars and camp-net is a bad direction.

 

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NickTheQuick_ITA #16 Posted 03 June 2020 - 11:46 AM

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The good old times of the ELC AMX are gone...but I found it still playable and sometimes enjoyable




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