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Poll: Strongest non-premium tank class by class irrespective of its tier (78 members have cast votes)

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Which is the best non-premium LIGHT tank?

  1. Pz.Kpfw. II Luchs (12 votes [7.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

  2. Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) n.A. (8 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  3. AMX ELC bis (4 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  4. AMX 12 t (11 votes [7.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.24%

  5. T71 DA* (30 votes [19.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.74%

  6. Bat.-Châtillon 12 t (7 votes [4.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.61%

  7. AMX 13 90 (21 votes [13.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.82%

  8. T49 (9 votes [5.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.92%

  9. Panhard EBR 105 (50 votes [32.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.89%

Which is the best non-premium MEDIUM tank?

  1. Matilda (13 votes [8.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.12%

  2. M4A1 Sherman (2 votes [1.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.25%

  3. Cromwell (16 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  4. M4A3E2 Sherman Jumbo (6 votes [3.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.75%

  5. P.44 Pantera (18 votes [11.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.25%

  6. Prototipo Standard B (45 votes [28.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.12%

  7. Leopard Prototyp A (24 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  8. Progetto M40 mod. 65 (36 votes [22.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.50%

Which is the best non-premium HEAVY tank?

  1. KV-1 (10 votes [6.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  2. KV-2 (13 votes [8.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.12%

  3. T29 (37 votes [23.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.12%

  4. Caernarvon (27 votes [16.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.88%

  5. IS-3 (14 votes [8.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.75%

  6. Super Conqueror (35 votes [21.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.88%

  7. Object 277 (24 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

Which is the best non-premium TD?

  1. Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer (8 votes [5.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.13%

  2. Wolverine (8 votes [5.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.13%

  3. T67 (35 votes [22.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.44%

  4. M18 Hellcat (16 votes [10.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.26%

  5. SU-152 (3 votes [1.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.92%

  6. Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger (13 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  7. T30 (14 votes [8.97%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.97%

  8. T95 (18 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  9. FV4005 Stage II (6 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  10. Object 268 Version 4 (35 votes [22.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.44%

Which is the best non-premium SPG?

  1. M44 (46 votes [39.66%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.66%

  2. G.W. Panther (11 votes [9.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.48%

  3. M40/M43 (11 votes [9.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.48%

  4. M53/M55 (32 votes [27.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.59%

  5. Conqueror Gun Carriage (16 votes [13.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.79%

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Torpsi #1 Posted 03 June 2020 - 02:08 PM

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Hi fellow tankers,

Based on undutchable80's amazing work:great: in his (her?) yearly poll as well as some tank comparisons I made, a question & a hypothesis arose. Therefore, I would like to know from you which tank you consider to be the best non-premium tank based on its battle performance :playing:  irrespective of its tier.

Here the hypothesis:

Could it be that a successor tank is almost the same in its values as its predecessor but rated much better because in the tier on tier comparison the competitor tanks of the successor are much worse :justwait:? An example to clarify what I mean (without mentioning the tanks where I observed this because I do not want to influence you):

- Tank ABC is at tier y and is rated (in undutchable80's poll) within its tier almost equal to 1 or 2 other tanks.
- Tank XYZ is the successor of tank ABC, so it is on tier y+1. Although it is on a higher tier it has basically the same values. However, on tier y+1 the other tanks are so bad that tank XYZ is clearly placed 1st in the poll - although compared to tank ABC you would have assumed it to be ranked somewhere midfield at most.

 

Details & rules of my poll :medal::

- I copied the best 0 to 2 tanks per tier of undutchable80's poll 2020 - yes, there are class-tier-combinations where I did not copy a single tank because they all were not rated very well.

- You have as maximum three answers per class (only two for SPG).

Yes I know, undutchable80's poll takes into account other values than purely performance. He / she explicitly asks for taking into account anything that is important / fun for you. However, I assume that most tankers used the tank performance as main factor.

I am interested in the poll results and particularly in your comments WHY you prefer one or the other :popcorn:!

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Edited by Torpsi, 06 June 2020 - 06:57 AM.


Kdingo #2 Posted 03 June 2020 - 02:19 PM

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Seeing the matilda classed as a medium always make me giggle.

Torpsi #3 Posted 03 June 2020 - 02:25 PM

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View PostKdingo, on 03 June 2020 - 02:19 PM, said:

Seeing the matilda classed as a medium always make me giggle.


Me too :trollface:

… same with T95 as TD ...


Edited by Torpsi, 03 June 2020 - 02:25 PM.


Inappropriate_noob #4 Posted 03 June 2020 - 02:45 PM

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View PostKdingo, on 03 June 2020 - 02:19 PM, said:

Seeing the matilda classed as a medium always make me giggle.

What would you class Matilda as then, on of the few tanks where my WR is green, got to love the Matilda:D



Kdingo #5 Posted 03 June 2020 - 02:55 PM

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View PostInappropriate_noob, on 03 June 2020 - 02:45 PM, said:

What would you class Matilda as then, on of the few tanks where my WR is green, got to love the Matilda:D

 

Given that there is no infantry tank class i would go with heavy. I mean it is essentially a churchill on tier 4.

But flanking and the usual "medium" movement is surely not its cup of tea. Great tank however, specially with the stingy needle gun.



Inappropriate_noob #6 Posted 03 June 2020 - 03:01 PM

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View PostKdingo, on 03 June 2020 - 02:55 PM, said:

 

Given that there is no infantry tank class i would go with heavy. I mean it is essentially a churchill on tier 4.

But flanking and the usual "medium" movement is surely not its cup of tea. Great tank however, specially with the stingy needle gun.

Best played in a platoon, awesome fun, and that stingy gun, the 2 pndr oh boy what fun



Torpsi #7 Posted 04 June 2020 - 04:53 PM

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OK, since even this poll seems to confirm the strange observation at least in one of the "tank-" (actually arty-) pairs, I will ask directly:

 

Why do you prefer the M53/M55 (US tier 9 arty) over the M40/M43 (US tier 8 arty)?

 

What do I oversee? I guess we all agree that the gun is all what matters to an arty. The guns are basically the same, in particular with respect to pen and damage. The tier 9 has 10% more DPM, that's it. The rest should be negligible, correct? So why is the tier 9 in your perspective so much better than the tier 8, particularly taking into account that it has to fight better armored tanks?   



Kdingo #8 Posted 04 June 2020 - 04:58 PM

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View PostTorpsi, on 04 June 2020 - 04:53 PM, said:

OK, since even this poll seems to confirm the strange observation at least in one of the "tank-" (actually arty-) pairs, I will ask directly:

 

Why do you prefer the M53/M55 (US tier 9 arty) over the M40/M43 (US tier 8 arty)?

 

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Miepie #9 Posted 04 June 2020 - 05:11 PM

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View PostTorpsi, on 04 June 2020 - 04:53 PM, said:

OK, since even this poll seems to confirm the strange observation at least in one of the "tank-" (actually arty-) pairs, I will ask directly:

 

Why do you prefer the M53/M55 (US tier 9 arty) over the M40/M43 (US tier 8 arty)?

 

What do I oversee? I guess we all agree that the gun is all what matters to an arty. The guns are basically the same, in particular with respect to pen and damage. The tier 9 has 10% more DPM, that's it. The rest should be negligible, correct? So why is the tier 9 in your perspective so much better than the tier 8, particularly taking into account that it has to fight better armored tanks?   

Not having played either of them yet, I am guessing the ability to mount vents and the tier-spread it encounters are additional benefits to the M53/M55... :popcorn:



Torpsi #10 Posted 04 June 2020 - 05:53 PM

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View PostMiepie, on 04 June 2020 - 05:11 PM, said:

Not having played either of them yet, I am guessing the ability to mount vents and the tier-spread it encounters are additional benefits to the M53/M55... :popcorn:


Ah, very interesting observation. Could anyone who prefers the tier 9 arty confirm that this is the main reason for you?



undutchable80 #11 Posted 04 June 2020 - 06:29 PM

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Tier spread, more mobile, two good guns (stock for stun & top gun for dmg) with good RoF makes me prefer the M53/55 over the M40/43. Especially as I am trying to do Obj.260 & Chimera Personal Missions so I need those Tier 9/10 games.

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Hey guys,

 

I slightly changed the headline of this topic because I am extremely interested in the battlefield performance. And I opened a new post to specifically discuss pairs of tanks where the lower tier tank is almost equal to the successor and where you would prefer the lower tier because of its better MM.

 

View Postundutchable80, on 04 June 2020 - 06:29 PM, said:

Tier spread, more mobile, two good guns (stock for stun & top gun for dmg) with good RoF makes me prefer the M53/55 over the M40/43. Especially as I am trying to do Obj.260 & Chimera Personal Missions so I need those Tier 9/10 games.

 

The arty is for me only of interest because of the campaign missions. But exactly because of them I wondered if I should go for the US tier 9 arty or if the tier 8 is sufficient. 



no_skill_bob #13 Posted 06 June 2020 - 08:57 AM

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well, from tanks that you chose:

1) amx 13 90 

2)progetto 65

3) Caernarvon

4)T95

5)M44

 

If i had to choose, from all tech tree tanks it would be as follows:

1) same - 13 90

2) Skoda T25/Stb-1

3)Emil 2

4)Tortoise

5)same - m44(bloody OP)



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Hi mates,

 

With 44 votes so far I summarize the results. In case there is a significant difference due to new votes I will update the results table.

 

I am glad to hear your thoughts and comments on this.

 

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*EDIT*: How do I increase the size of that picture?

 

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Kdingo #15 Posted 06 June 2020 - 05:38 PM

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View PostTorpsi, on 06 June 2020 - 04:23 PM, said:

Hi mates,

 

With 44 votes so far I summarize the results. In case there is a significant difference due to new votes I will update the results table.

 

I am glad to hear your thoughts and comments on this.

 

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*EDIT*: How do I increase the size of that picture?

 

Best

 

Torpsi

 

You best upload it to whatever photo hosting page you prefer, like imgur for example and just link the image instead of attaching it.



saurilian #16 Posted 06 June 2020 - 06:43 PM

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(my honest opinion)

 

Light: AMX 13 90, Manticore & T100LT **

Medium: Bourassque, STB-1 & Type 61, Leopard PTA & 1, M48 Patton, Progetto 65,46 & Standard B, Skoda T50 & TVP T50/51

Heavy: S.Cocc, Obj.277, WZ 111 5A 

TD: Grille 15, WT auf Pz IV, T95 & Strv 103B

Artillery: lmao you gay if you play artillery

 

** - EBR is not a light tank but a wheeled vehicle


Edited by saurilian, 06 June 2020 - 06:48 PM.


Erwin_Von_Braun #17 Posted 06 June 2020 - 07:10 PM

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View Postsaurilian, on 06 June 2020 - 05:43 PM, said:

 

Artillery: lmao you gay if you play artillery

 


How old are you?

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geoff99 #18 Posted 06 June 2020 - 07:54 PM

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 06 June 2020 - 06:10 PM, said:


How old are you?

:facepalm:

I'm not down with the kids, but it seems that using gay as an insult is not intended to be homophobic.



Erwin_Von_Braun #19 Posted 06 June 2020 - 07:56 PM

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View Postgeoff99, on 06 June 2020 - 06:54 PM, said:

I'm not down with the kids, but it seems that using gay as an insult is not intended to be homophobic.


My first thought as well - gay now means 'rubbish' or equivalent thereof.

However, he did say 'you are gay' :girl:



Kdingo #20 Posted 06 June 2020 - 08:00 PM

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View Postgeoff99, on 06 June 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

I'm not down with the kids, but it seems that using gay as an insult is not intended to be homophobic.

 

Still preferred it when they at least used the word f**got, it had a better ring to it.






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