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JOHN_691 #1 Posted 07 June 2020 - 02:39 PM

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http://wotreplays.eu...super_conqueror

I made little mistakes, like pressing 5 a bit too early or doing a bad shot on the strv...but still.

I usually go on the opposite side and i play aggressive but in this case:3 spgs and 2 279s made me change idea.

Unfortunately, both the 279s went on the medium side.

I think this replay doesn't portray a very bad gameplay in terms of skill but i consider it average-above average.

The problems i want to underline are:

-3spgs that completely ruin the gameplay, forcing people to camp ( i heard a dev a long time ago saying: "arty prevents camping" , and i think it's a completely wrong statement)

-unbalanced tanks like obj 279 and fv4005 which are so brokenly op and stupid

-the state of tier10 lights that have all in common terrible guns and a terrible survivability (excepting the ebr which is a broken tank but still has a very bad gun)

-the importance of gold ammo, a completely stupid type of ammo that is now necessary because of retarded tanks like for example the 279s 

-camping is still too much effective while aggressive plays are not rewarding even if done properly.


Edited by JOHN_691, 07 June 2020 - 02:41 PM.


Ragoutrabbit #2 Posted 07 June 2020 - 02:56 PM

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Nice to see the usual gold spam.

Kdingo #3 Posted 07 June 2020 - 03:10 PM

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View PostJOHN_691, on 07 June 2020 - 02:39 PM, said:

 

-3spgs that completely ruin the gameplay, forcing people to camp ( i heard a dev a long time ago saying: "arty prevents camping" , and i think it's a completely wrong statement)

 

Arty never prevented camping this was bullcrap from day one. It only punishes those not hiding/hugging houses/hills etc.

You can sit behind hard cover and are totally arty save while camping yet the poor bugger that tries to make a play and advance will be punished for doing so.



Search_Warrant #4 Posted 07 June 2020 - 03:31 PM

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View PostKdingo, on 07 June 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

 

Arty never prevented camping this was bullcrap from day one. It only punishes those not hiding/hugging houses/hills etc.

You can sit behind hard cover and are totally arty save while camping yet the poor bugger that tries to make a play and advance will be punished for doing so.


Ahhh, that explains when i was the first to rush that 1 hill to do some early spots/damage and got instantly slapped by arty, seems being the first into battle means i camping really hard. obviously my own fault for camping first to the front line right?.

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JocMeister #5 Posted 07 June 2020 - 03:35 PM

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Arty preventing camping has been WG BS from day 1. All you have to do is get in a 3-arty game and EVERYONE is camping because the second you get spotted 3 sky*****ers will dump on you removing 50-80% of your HP.

Search_Warrant #6 Posted 07 June 2020 - 03:44 PM

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View PostJocMeister, on 07 June 2020 - 02:35 PM, said:

Arty preventing camping has been WG BS from day 1. All you have to do is get in a 3-arty game and EVERYONE is camping because the second you get spotted 3 sky*****ers will dump on you removing 50-80% of your HP.


As WG said recently, "at least it wont 1 shot you anymore". haaaaa



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 07 June 2020 - 03:44 PM, said:


As WG said recently, "at least it wont 1 shot you anymore". haaaaa

 

Yeah, losing 1,1k HP from a T92 feels soooo much better than going straight to garage. :trollface:



tajj7 #8 Posted 07 June 2020 - 04:44 PM

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So many games seem to have 3 arty at tier 10, had 3 in a row earlier today, but playing tier 9 and I saw far less.  I don't even get what the appeal is, tier 10 arty is not that good and is expensive to run compared to mid tier arty or even like M53/M55.

 

Had a game last night that was 3 arty and 7 TDs, all tier 10 game, and all the arty and TD players were complaining about the medium players (all 3 of us) camping, even though the first heavy that had got spotted had basically got obliterated by multiple arty hits and then finished off by TDs. 

 

Hilarious lack of self awareness of these players playing arty and Fv4005s etc. and not realising what they are doing to the gameplay, they just expect everyone to line up in front of them to get farmed so they can have a good game. 


Edited by tajj7, 07 June 2020 - 04:46 PM.


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View Posttajj7, on 07 June 2020 - 04:44 PM, said:

Hilarious lack of self awareness of these players playing arty and Fv4005s etc. and not realising what they are doing to the gameplay, they just expect everyone to line up in front of them to get farmed so they can have a good game. 

Bit like the EBR players you mean?



Kdingo #10 Posted 07 June 2020 - 05:07 PM

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 07 June 2020 - 05:03 PM, said:

Bit like the EBR players you mean?

 

Those are just a couple years to late for need for speed world. Now they need to compensate wrom wrom withdrawal in wot.



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Just remember that most/all of the WG devs who play are (below-)average players. Despite being the creators of this game, their opinions on how it actually works in practice seem to make as much sense as the daily tomato forum ranters who are convinced that WG is conspiring against them to give them a bad winrate.

WindSplitter1 #12 Posted 07 June 2020 - 05:15 PM

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View PostJocMeister, on 07 June 2020 - 02:35 PM, said:

All you have to do is get in a 3-arty game and EVERYONE is camping because the second you get spotted 3 sky*****ers will dump on you removing 50-80% of your HP.

 

TDs do this in one shot.

16:20 Added after 5 minute

4.4K dmg done on an HT, over 300m... :facepalm:

This is the type of play that is rewarded.


Edited by WindSplitter1, 07 June 2020 - 05:21 PM.


tajj7 #13 Posted 07 June 2020 - 05:22 PM

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 07 June 2020 - 04:03 PM, said:

Bit like the EBR players you mean?

 

What the 90% that die doing nothing in the first minute? Not really, hardly good at farming anything, and far easier to deal with than arty.

 

I mean they are literally spotted pretty much the whole time, unlike camping TDs and arty. 



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View Posttajj7, on 07 June 2020 - 05:22 PM, said:

I mean they are literally spotted pretty much the whole time, unlike camping TDs and arty. 

I know... If only we could hit the little fcks .....:)



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View Posttajj7, on 07 June 2020 - 04:44 PM, said:

So many games seem to have 3 arty at tier 10, had 3 in a row earlier today, but playing tier 9 and I saw far less.  I don't even get what the appeal is, tier 10 arty is not that good and is expensive to run compared to mid tier arty or even like M53/M55.

 

Had a game last night that was 3 arty and 7 TDs, all tier 10 game, and all the arty and TD players were complaining about the medium players (all 3 of us) camping, even though the first heavy that had got spotted had basically got obliterated by multiple arty hits and then finished off by TDs. 

 

Hilarious lack of self awareness of these players playing arty and Fv4005s etc. and not realising what they are doing to the gameplay, they just expect everyone to line up in front of them to get farmed so they can have a good game. 

 

saw a stat that on russian server 47% of tier 10 games are triple arty !!



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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 07 June 2020 - 04:03 PM, said:

Bit like the EBR players you mean?


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View Posttajj7, on 07 June 2020 - 03:44 PM, said:

So many games seem to have 3 arty at tier 10, had 3 in a row earlier today, but playing tier 9 and I saw far less.  I don't even get what the appeal is, tier 10 arty is not that good and is expensive to run compared to mid tier arty or even like M53/M55.

 

Had a game last night that was 3 arty and 7 TDs, all tier 10 game, and all the arty and TD players were complaining about the medium players (all 3 of us) camping, even though the first heavy that had got spotted had basically got obliterated by multiple arty hits and then finished off by TDs. 

 

Hilarious lack of self awareness of these players playing arty and Fv4005s etc. and not realising what they are doing to the gameplay, they just expect everyone to line up in front of them to get farmed so they can have a good game. 

Surely the arty players aren't having these good games if the arta aren't good like you say.:trollface: Lots of conflicting statements here. Gonna tell me the EBRs are reflective of the old meta again?:D


Edited by 24doom24, 07 June 2020 - 06:41 PM.


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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 07 June 2020 - 05:27 PM, said:

 

saw a stat that on russian server 47% of tier 10 games are triple arty !!

 

Feel its pretty similar on EU, every other game seems be to 3 arty. 

 

View Post24doom24, on 07 June 2020 - 05:34 PM, said:

Surely the arty players aren't having these good games if the arta aren't good like you say.:trollface: Lots of conflicting statements here. Gonna tell me the EBRs are reflective of the old meta again?:D

 

It's still easy mode clicking and there are 3 of them, so even if they don't do well individually enough HE spam from base causes problems. 

 

And compared to arties like the M44 which are massively OP, tier 10 arty is terrible. 

 

What you mean how they are, where light tanks were actually good and caused problems for heavy tanks and TDs, I mean you have less than 10k battles in 8 years, an average of tier 5 and your most played tanks are basically tier 5s or arty, so I doubt you even know what the old meta was anyway. You either weren't playing it or were camping in base. 

 

 



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the state of the game at tier10 in one replay?

 

Why not in one word? : BitterDissapointment.

 

I know it's two but so what! :trollface:



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Not just at T10 where 3 Arta per team is an issue  - any game that has any combo of M44 and Lefh's is an issue. Choice is crapon every 22s and stunned, or every 10secs and perma tracked, or worst case they all target you.

 






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