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gun132 #1 Posted 08 June 2020 - 08:08 AM

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I am not sure if to anyone happened this.

yesterday a player came pushed me so i missed my hit and received damage from enemies as he blocked me to go back, then he shoot me but luckly no damage caused, then he tried to block me again. However, then I pushed him and he dead afterwards  as i was in jag e100 and he was in fv . What is the funny I got banned for 3 days that happen 5 mins after the game, likely the guy is a member of WOT. And the other sad thing sent a ticket and 8 hours no one care. Is this really fair



azakow #2 Posted 08 June 2020 - 08:13 AM

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Well deserved!

mikem70 #3 Posted 08 June 2020 - 08:19 AM

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you got banned for 3 days? Is this your 1st ban?

wsatnutter #4 Posted 08 June 2020 - 08:20 AM

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the ban hammer was well deserved it sounds like you have previous form for being a disruptive player follow the rules next time and don't shoot greens and play nicely

Jauhesammutin #5 Posted 08 June 2020 - 08:56 AM

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View Postmikem70, on 08 June 2020 - 07:19 AM, said:

you got banned for 3 days? Is this your 1st ban?

I don't know if we are allowed to talk about such things but yes, 3 days is the first.



NekoPuffer_PPP #6 Posted 08 June 2020 - 08:57 AM

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He probably got banned as well though. He did start it, but you took the bait. You're both guilty.

gun132 #7 Posted 08 June 2020 - 09:01 AM

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View Postazakow, on 08 June 2020 - 08:13 AM, said:

Well deserved!

Sure looks like u one of these doing this activity. then u report people the whole idea about people how start things by pushing and do harm to players . 

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View Postwsatnutter, on 08 June 2020 - 08:20 AM, said:

the ban hammer was well deserved it sounds like you have previous form for being a disruptive player follow the rules next time and don't shoot greens and play nicely

I dont think you read well he was the one he was shooting me and pushing first i pushed him once and got ban. And never had any previous judgeing people without knowing them is wrong :).



NUKLEAR_SLUG #8 Posted 08 June 2020 - 09:14 AM

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View Postgun132, on 08 June 2020 - 09:01 AM, said:

I dont think you read well he was the one he was shooting me and pushing first i pushed him once and got ban. And never had any previous judgeing people without knowing them is wrong :).

 

If you had reported him and sent in the replay only he would have got banned and you would be fine. That he started it doesn't make a difference, you took the bait and did it as well, so now your just as guilty as he was so you probably both got banned.

 

Next time just report the idiot and get on with your day. You know now the report system works so you know they will get a ban.

 



azakow #9 Posted 08 June 2020 - 09:15 AM

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View Postgun132, on 08 June 2020 - 09:01 AM, said:

Sure looks like u one of these doing this activity. then u report people the whole idea about people how start things by pushing and do harm to players . 

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I dont think you read well he was the one he was shooting me and pushing first i pushed him once and got ban. And never had any previous judgeing people without knowing them is wrong :).

I hear mimimimimi about a decission take by WG about your account.

How old are you?

 

 



CmdRatScabies #10 Posted 08 June 2020 - 10:54 AM

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View Postmikem70, on 08 June 2020 - 08:19 AM, said:

you got banned for 3 days? Is this your 1st ban?

3 days seems to be the default for unsportsmanlike conduct - physics abuse.  Might get more on a second offence.

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 08 June 2020 - 09:14 AM, said:

 

If you had reported him and sent in the replay only he would have got banned and you would be fine.

 

Not necessarily.  I'm always very careful not to do anything naughty if I'm planning on sending  a replay to WG.  Quite likely to both get banned if you retaliated.



Balc0ra #11 Posted 08 June 2020 - 12:19 PM

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View Postgun132, on 08 June 2020 - 08:08 AM, said:

What is the funny I got banned for 3 days that happen 5 mins after the game, likely the guy is a member of WOT. And the other sad thing sent a ticket and 8 hours no one care. Is this really fair

 

Here is the thing. Pushing alone is not part of an automated system. Shooting is no longer part of an automated system. Because it doesn't do damage to friendlies anymore. Pushing someone off a cliff that then crashes and gets destroyed due to it. That HAS an automated system that's monitored. And is based on last contact. Same as drowning etc is, as in the last that had long contact with him, most likely did cause the crash or drowning and thus gets the blame for it. As just because friendly fire is off, don't mean you still fcan't kill your teammates, thus such aspects are still monitored.

 

Add that along with potential reports from multiple team members. Someone will take notice as team damage has been registered and did take action once the automated request was sent. He did not do team damage, and thus nothing was registered.

 

View Postgun132, on 08 June 2020 - 09:01 AM, said:

Sure looks like u one of these doing this activity. then u report people the whole idea about people how start things by pushing and do harm to players .

 

You reacted back by destroying the subject vs him just bumping into you ruining your shot. Thus your action was way worse, thus why most think it's well deserved. As you did cripple your team. The other just annoyed you. Slight difference.



Objec7 #12 Posted 08 June 2020 - 12:27 PM

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View Postgun132, on 08 June 2020 - 08:08 AM, said:

I am not sure if to anyone happened this.

yesterday a player came pushed me so i missed my hit and received damage from enemies as he blocked me to go back, then he shoot me but luckly no damage caused, then he tried to block me again. However, then I pushed him and he dead afterwards  as i was in jag e100 and he was in fv . What is the funny I got banned for 3 days that happen 5 mins after the game, likely the guy is a member of WOT. And the other sad thing sent a ticket and 8 hours no one care. Is this really fair

Sounds like you are one of those who get mad over someone accidentally tapping you a bit in their light tank and then think it's ok to push the light to dead. Don't really believe FV 4005 can push JP E100.

 

Also, if you send a physics abuse report of someone pushing you and as a revenge push him back, you'll get a ban as well. It is fair, you ruin your team's game by getting someone killed.


Edited by Objec7, 08 June 2020 - 12:29 PM.


gun132 #13 Posted 08 June 2020 - 01:16 PM

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View PostObjec7, on 08 June 2020 - 12:27 PM, said:

Sounds like you are one of those who get mad over someone accidentally tapping you a bit in their light tank and then think it's ok to push the light to dead. Don't really believe FV 4005 can push JP E100.

 

Also, if you send a physics abuse report of someone pushing you and as a revenge push him back, you'll get a ban as well. It is fair, you ruin your team's game by getting someone killed.

He got killed because he drove to enemy not caused i pushed him and dead its different i just pushed him from my spot as he blocked my corner twice it was not push to kill as it maintained. So he pushed me twice by blocking revarsing back to cover so I got shoot cause of him blocking me then i pushed him out and he drove in front of enemies and dead. 



gun132 #14 Posted 08 June 2020 - 01:28 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 08 June 2020 - 12:19 PM, said:

 

Here is the thing. Pushing alone is not part of an automated system. Shooting is no longer part of an automated system. Because it doesn't do damage to friendlies anymore. Pushing someone off a cliff that then crashes and gets destroyed due to it. That HAS an automated system that's monitored. And is based on last contact. Same as drowning etc is, as in the last that had long contact with him, most likely did cause the crash or drowning and thus gets the blame for it. As just because friendly fire is off, don't mean you still fcan't kill your teammates, thus such aspects are still monitored.

 

Add that along with potential reports from multiple team members. Someone will take notice as team damage has been registered and did take action once the automated request was sent. He did not do team damage, and thus nothing was registered.

 

 

You reacted back by destroying the subject vs him just bumping into you ruining your shot. Thus your action was way worse, thus why most think it's well deserved. As you did cripple your team. The other just annoyed you. Slight difference.

The guy drove forward and killed himself, I did not kill him it’s different. 



mpf1959 #15 Posted 08 June 2020 - 02:39 PM

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Fairness

Is a wonderful concept, but seldom seen in the maelstrom of accumulating the nessesities of human survival. 

 

edit: of which is damage caused! :playing:


Edited by mpf1959, 08 June 2020 - 02:40 PM.


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View Postgun132, on 08 June 2020 - 12:16 PM, said:

He got killed because he drove to enemy not caused i pushed him and dead its different i just pushed him from my spot as he blocked my corner twice it was not push to kill as it maintained. So he pushed me twice by blocking revarsing back to cover so I got shoot cause of him blocking me then i pushed him out and he drove in front of enemies and dead. 

 



Kdingo #17 Posted 08 June 2020 - 06:55 PM

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Fairness, just like honesty only really exist if you have means to threaten the other part with violent means to detach his/her limbs in case he/she doesn´t deliver.

Which however would mean that you are in a superior position unfair to your prey .... dialogue partner.



zlaja031 #18 Posted 08 June 2020 - 09:02 PM

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View Postgun132, on 08 June 2020 - 07:08 AM, said:

I am not sure if to anyone happened this.

yesterday a player came pushed me so i missed my hit and received damage from enemies as he blocked me to go back, then he shoot me but luckly no damage caused, then he tried to block me again. However, then I pushed him and he dead afterwards  as i was in jag e100 and he was in fv . What is the funny I got banned for 3 days that happen 5 mins after the game, likely the guy is a member of WOT. And the other sad thing sent a ticket and 8 hours no one care. Is this really fair


WOT really lacks teamdmg.



Homer_J #19 Posted 08 June 2020 - 10:25 PM

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View Postgun132, on 08 June 2020 - 08:08 AM, said:

What is the funny I got banned for 3 days that happen 5 mins after the game,

If the ban came that fast then it is very unlikely it was related to that battle.

 

More likely it was something you did a few days earlier.



TheJumpMaster #20 Posted 09 June 2020 - 05:18 PM

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Normally, I would close such a thread. In this case it is a good way of showing that the system works.




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