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thePhilX #1 Posted 12 June 2020 - 04:33 PM

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Hey guys,

we will test tier X skirmishes in the 15v15 format, starting on Monday, 15.06.2020.

The amount of legionnaires is set to a maximum of 14, so clans or every size can try out 15v15 with their friends.

 

Please share your opinion here.



Naughtilus #2 Posted 12 June 2020 - 04:44 PM

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I welcome the change back. 10v10 tends to railroad the team comps and it often boils down to who has more reward tanks. 15v15 should see more variety, more space for actual tactics, and improvisation.

A trend that I've noticed is that a number of clans omit tier X skirms at all and instead plays advances. From that angle, 10v10 seems pointless, my guess is that the reward tank dingdong measuring contest offers little that can be used as practice for advances and clan wars.


Edited by Naughtilus, 12 June 2020 - 04:47 PM.


Gruff_ #3 Posted 12 June 2020 - 05:56 PM

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Lack of viable variety in team compositions is the bigger issue, t8+10 are dominated by the same few premium / rewards tanks.

 

Tier6 has a bit more variety but again is mostly T3485M & Cromwell B.

 

T10 15v15 makes sense as that reflects the CW numbers.  Maybe some cheaper operating costs or legionaires getting 1/2- 3/4 of any booster being run by the team they play for might encourage more participation.

 

Also please bring back team battles, skirmish just isn't the same level of enjoyment.



TheDrownedApe #4 Posted 16 June 2020 - 11:40 AM

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it still won't get people back into playing in large numbers. Get rid of the daft PR MM so we can actually have fun again rather than everygame is tryhard; just the same as CW and advances.

 

 



CrimsoN_PhoenX #5 Posted 20 June 2020 - 01:47 PM

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10v10 SH  15v15 Advance <<< THIS
This change favors bigger clans the most and it will be way harder for clans with fewer active players to participate in weekend Wargames as well to earn clan resources.
Not all clans play Advances. Those who do play calculate what to do with the rest of their players online. Bigger SH teams = fewer teams in SH.
Now it's harder for smaller clans to farm resources and level up their Stronghold buildings.

On the good side is that strats and setup could be consistent with advances BUT there is the same 1000 resources reward as it was for 10v10 format.
If you raise requirements tor SH from 10 to 15 why don't you at leas raise the reward from 1000 to 1500t? Clans are required to try harder to earn resources in X skirmishes.

 

 



Thaler_1 #6 Posted 20 June 2020 - 10:25 PM

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Sorry

Edited by Thaler_1, 20 June 2020 - 11:03 PM.


Thaler_1 #7 Posted 20 June 2020 - 10:59 PM

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I am the commander of the clan Old Heroes AL-HE in my opinion, the change from 10x10 to 15x15 is not so great. here only the big clan's again a training field is opened. The smaller clans have looked that up. If then one should possibly offer both possibilities.

 


Edited by Thaler_1, 20 June 2020 - 11:05 PM.


razomazo #8 Posted 21 June 2020 - 08:11 PM

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This 15vs15 is just good for big clans and its the same like advance.Bring back 10vs10.

Keyhand #9 Posted 23 June 2020 - 07:55 PM

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I personally very much like the change.

 

Also, WG seems to be finally listening to the wishes of the community - as can be seen in this poll from a while back:

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/721259-strongholds-format-on-tier-x-15v1510v10/



CrimsoN_PhoenX #10 Posted 29 June 2020 - 12:41 AM

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View PostKeyhand, on 23 June 2020 - 07:55 PM, said:

I personally very much like the change.

 

Also, WG seems to be finally listening to the wishes of the community - as can be seen in this poll from a while back:

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/721259-strongholds-format-on-tier-x-15v1510v10/


Coming from the top clan, of course, you like this change. You guys have 50 to 60 players active per day.
The poll only emphasizes the fact that more active/bigger clans with more people involved in game (and forums, who took the effort to get to the forum, find thread and vote) are favored by this change.
 



Keyhand #11 Posted 29 June 2020 - 05:41 AM

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View PostCrimsoN_PhoenX, on 29 June 2020 - 12:41 AM, said:


Coming from the top clan, of course, you like this change. You guys have 50 to 60 players active per day.
The poll only emphasizes the fact that more active/bigger clans with more people involved in game (and forums, who took the effort to get to the forum, find thread and vote) are favored by this change.
 

 

At the time when I made the post which I linked, FAME was nowhere near the level of activity you indicate so I fail to see a correlation.

And since the amount of Legionnaires is set to 14, I dont see a Problem even for Clans with only 1 member.



CrimsoN_PhoenX #12 Posted 29 June 2020 - 01:41 PM

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View PostKeyhand, on 29 June 2020 - 05:41 AM, said:

 

At the time when I made the post which I linked, FAME was nowhere near the level of activity you indicate so I fail to see a correlation.

And since the amount of Legionnaires is set to 14, I dont see a Problem even for Clans with only 1 member.


With all due respect, FAME (in many iterations it had) has been amongst top clans way before your poll in 2019. My point was that people from stronger clans, like yourself, are more likely to participate in the poll since they are reading and writing in the forum same goes for supertest and any WG content.
Anyway, it's not about FAME, I took it just as an example. Big clans will have more people online so 5 members more/less per SH team is not a problem for them. The other 80-90% of the clans will have to have legionaries in their teams.
As for 14 legionaries per team, sure you could hoard up a team and farm resources, but for many, it defeats the purpose of being in a clan in the first place. IMHO People join clans to play the game with their clan, as a team.  Secondly, people prefer fewer legionaries in their teams either if it is for the skill gap, no ts communication for tactical coordination or bailing after a loss, etc.


Edited by CrimsoN_PhoenX, 29 June 2020 - 03:01 PM.





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