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Mr_Dayne #1 Posted 14 June 2020 - 12:45 PM

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Why do they all suck in some regard.

 

I recently sold my M48A5 because it is such a disappointment. The turret armour is trash, the dpm is average, the mobility is below average, and the size is enormous.

The T57 Heavy is slow, no armour, iffy gun handling, and easy target.

The T110E5 has the huge tumor on top and really isn't worth anything special.

The T110E4 is a large target, huge turret, weak armour and only semi mobile. Hits hard, but is derpy and unreliable as [edited].

The T110E3 has crapfor armour, apparently, and is even more unreliable gunwise than the others, a complete waste of time. Should have stopped by T95.

The Sheridan is a huge light tank with no real qualities, the M48A5 of light tanks.

T92 HMC, hits for a ton and is somehow the ONLY good choice in this whole country.

 

 

[edited]the American tanks, they're so shite compared to anything else.



Private_Miros #2 Posted 14 June 2020 - 12:55 PM

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Their top tiers were among the first wave of powercreep and were good back then. As with ze Germans and older Russian tanks, they've been powercreeped by newer lines and additions (some of which have been power creeped in turn).

 

None of the US tanks tier X are bad, not of them is extremely good in the current meta.

 

Over their whole tree they have a number of really good tanks and some that could use a boost against the powercreep but start from a very good basis (T32, M46 Patton, Pershing).



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View PostMr_Dayne, on 14 June 2020 - 11:45 AM, said:

Why do they all suck in some regard.

 

I recently sold my M48A5 because it is such a disappointment. The turret armour is trash, the dpm is average, the mobility is below average, and the size is enormous.

The T57 Heavy is slow, no armour, iffy gun handling, and easy target.

The T110E5 has the huge tumor on top and really isn't worth anything special.

The T110E4 is a large target, huge turret, weak armour and only semi mobile. Hits hard, but is derpy and unreliable as [edited].

The T110E3 has crapfor armour, apparently, and is even more unreliable gunwise than the others, a complete waste of time. Should have stopped by T95.

The Sheridan is a huge light tank with no real qualities, the M48A5 of light tanks.

T92 HMC, hits for a ton and is somehow the ONLY good choice in this whole country.

 

M48A5 is one of the best mediums. RPM (i use RPM instead of DPM, which to me is a fantasy flawed metric) is suitable for it. Could be higher and slightly faster but it's pretty darn good.

T57 H I can agree. Wiki says it had 157mm armour all around the turret. We, currently do not have this.

T110E5, again agree. No reason to play it with SQ.

T110E4 is balanced IMO.

T110E3 is balanced IMO. I'd say it needs a traverse nerf, a turret weakspot nerf, etc.

XM551, fully agree with your remarks. Should be faster, hit, harder, have more accuracy, etc. ATGMs are tempting and I would like those but the game isn't ready for them yet.

T92 HMC, is the worst SPG in the game IMO. M55 should be the Tier X or alternatively, the M109 as that was actually designed the replace the M44 and was made in the 1960s, so it would be its natural evolution while respecting the time frame of the game (which is one of its limiting factors, really).

 

 



kaneloon #4 Posted 14 June 2020 - 01:18 PM

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I only have the T110E4 and I liked it pretty much.

Someday I'll get the t-57 as I have the 3d camo and a crew since some event (8 bits battles maybe ?).



Semih_Dellal #5 Posted 14 June 2020 - 01:25 PM

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- When in fine and skilled hands...T-57 Heavy can wreak havoc and devastate the opposition...

 

- T110E5 is unplayable right now especially in all tierX battles...i agree...

 

Grinding to te M48...playing with pershing right now...love it...and it looks like i'll like M48A5 too...gun looks great...

 

 

 

 



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They aren't, German tanks are the worst

 

Pershing is excellent 

T29 is excellent

Jumbo derp is so fun

T6 medium is good

M6 is very strong tank

T95 is OP

T30 is excellent, heavy with 750 dmg, whats not to like?

 

 



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tiers X

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Since when is 3k dpg average lol? M48 is a good medium , E4 is ok , E3 is good. T57 is also good

Ricox #9 Posted 14 June 2020 - 02:30 PM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 14 June 2020 - 12:17 PM, said:

 

M48A5 is one of the best mediums. RPM (i use RPM instead of DPM, which to me is a fantasy flawed metric) is suitable for it. Could be higher and slightly faster but it's pretty darn good.

T57 H I can agree. Wiki says it had 157mm armour all around the turret. We, currently do not have this.

T110E5, again agree. No reason to play it with SQ.

T110E4 is balanced IMO.

T110E3 is balanced IMO. I'd say it needs a traverse nerf, a turret weakspot nerf, etc.

XM551, fully agree with your remarks. Should be faster, hit, harder, have more accuracy, etc. ATGMs are tempting and I would like those but the game isn't ready for them yet.

T92 HMC, is the worst SPG in the game IMO. M55 should be the Tier X or alternatively, the M109 as that was actually designed the replace the M44 and was made in the 1960s, so it would be its natural evolution while respecting the time frame of the game (which is one of its limiting factors, really).

 

 

 

DPM is not a "fantasy flawed metric", it's much better than RPM because it combines both rate of fire and damage into one illustrative figure. No one is proposing that DPM means you will definitely be scoring that much damage per minute, just like base armor figures don't mean that you'll have the exact effective armor at every angle and point of the armor. DPM is far more relevant than RPM because it demonstrates the tank's ability in close quarters or with targets to shoot - you know how much pain you can inflict relative to other tanks. Looking at RPM is irrelevant without looking at alpha, and then you might as well use the metric that combines them...



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View PostRicox, on 14 June 2020 - 01:30 PM, said:

 

DPM is not a "fantasy flawed metric", it's much better than RPM because it combines both rate of fire and damage into one illustrative figure. No one is proposing that DPM means you will definitely be scoring that much damage per minute, just like base armor figures don't mean that you'll have the exact effective armor at every angle and point of the armor. DPM is far more relevant than RPM because it demonstrates the tank's ability in close quarters or with targets to shoot - you know how much pain you can inflict relative to other tanks. Looking at RPM is irrelevant without looking at alpha, and then you might as well use the metric that combines them...

 

There's a reason why I stated this but I will not bother explaining.



UserZer00 #11 Posted 14 June 2020 - 04:26 PM

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I do well in the US mediums so your logic must be flawed somewhere.

 

I don't do as well in the US heavies or TDs, but that's the case for all heavies and TDs so you can't base their usefulness based on my results



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View PostMr_Dayne, on 14 June 2020 - 11:45 AM, said:

Why do they all suck in some regard. They do not.

 

Patton M48A5 -  Interesting tank compared to the other mediums. The point that makes it different is the ability to snap shot. It also has very good view range. Those strengths are balanced by weaknesses. Slow, poor hull armour, unreliable turret armour, poor camo value. Still interesting to play in pubs and arguably superior to AMX 30 and CAX in many (but not all) circumstances.

 

The T57 Heavy is slow, no armour, iffy gun handling, and easy target. When played in team games (CW, Skirmish etc) still viable for some maps and some tactics. In pubs can do very well in a platoon with another heavy that is a single shooter. Challenging to solo pub the T57, but not impossible.

 

The T110E5 has the huge tumor on top and really isn't worth anything special. This comment is amusing. The E5 after all has an interesting history.  At one point WG gave the E5 an all round armour buff including the turret cupola. Hey Presto the E5 was the flavour of the month in CW and was stomping hard anything it came up against in pubs. WG then reduced the armour on the cupola (took them several months). Just because the E5 has a weak spot does not make it suck. It is still a decent all rounder, just not completely impervious. Dare I say that it is relatively well balanced, and all it needs to be competitive again is a very minor buff to the cupola.

 

The T110E4 is a large target, huge turret, weak armour and only semi mobile. Hits hard, but is derpy and unreliable as [edited]. It has a rotating turret! If you made the armour better, made it more mobile and made the gun less derpy, the E4 would be OP. It pays for turret rotation by the other weaknesses. Another well balanced tank.

 

The T110E3 has crapfor armour, apparently, and is even more unreliable gunwise than the others, a complete waste of time. Should have stopped by T95. Since the speed buff the T95 is very strong in tier IX. Since the advent of Object 268v4 into the game the E3 is not as strong as it used to be. But still half way balanced.

 

The Sheridan Like all the other tier X tracked light tanks is too weak. WG did a poor balancing job with the Light tanks when introducing the tier X tracked ones.

 

T92 HMC, hits for a ton and is somehow the ONLY good choice in this whole country. I do not own it so no comment on the SPG at tier X.

 

the American tanks, Are relatively well balanced, it is only a shame that they have been powercrept by some of the newer USSR models at tier X. Some of the USSR tanks are a little too strong. If some of the USSR tier X tanks were nerfed slightly the USA tier Xs on the whole would become competitive again.

 


Edited by arthurwellsley, 14 June 2020 - 04:55 PM.


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Edited by Immensive, 14 June 2020 - 07:01 PM.
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T57 had a sniper gun before. It was broken as all heck. And as WG wanted the 50b line to be the sniper one. They changed the 57 role to a close-range fighter. Either way, like the 50b, just because it's a HT doesn't mean it should or will bounce everything. It's not meant to hold anything with that clip downtime.

 

And it's not often you hear hate about the high tier US meds.

 

View PostWindSplitter1, on 14 June 2020 - 01:17 PM, said:

T110E5, again agree. No reason to play it with SQ.

 

To be fair tho, it was utterly broken before. But WG only needed to adjust the cupola or lower plate armor, as in only one of them. No need for the other armor nerfs they did on the turret or upper plate etc. As they overdid it when they nerfed the entire front.



Gwynbleidd11 #15 Posted 14 June 2020 - 05:44 PM

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USA tanks are probaly the best in the game, and have all of them expect 1 in high tiers

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T57, E4, E3 and M48 Patton are all fine, E5 is not as bad as people make out and can easily do well. 

 

Sheridan is weak, but then most tier 10 lights are. 

 

M60 is a nice tank as well.

 

Most of the tier 9s are also good, aside the M103 and T54E1, but the Phase 1 is there as a better US tier 9 heavy.

 

US tanks are not super meta, but there are lots of decent to good tanks and most of their tanks are very comfy in terms of gun depression, gun handling, view range etc. 



ZlatanArKung #18 Posted 14 June 2020 - 06:36 PM

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What?

The Americans got top notch TDs from T5 to T10.
Mediums: from T5-T7 is good.
Heavies: T6, T7 are great. T8 and T9 are not best in class, like the ones before, but still pretty decent, T54E1 is also a pretty strong heavy. And at T10 T57 Heavy as a pretty strong tank aswell.
On lights, They got best T5, T6 and T7 light tank. And arty, t hey are best from T5 to T9

Edited by ZlatanArKung, 14 June 2020 - 06:38 PM.


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View PostMr_Dayne, on 14 June 2020 - 12:45 PM, said:

 

T92 HMC, hits for a ton and is somehow the ONLY good choice in this whole country.

 

Oh you can't be serious.

T92 HMC is a piece of crap. Huge, slow, inaccurate, with long reload and funny shell trajectory. No gun depression.

Tier 9 is much better choice.



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View Posttajj7, on 14 June 2020 - 05:26 PM, said:

T57, E4, E3 and M48 Patton are all fine, E5 is not as bad as people make out and can easily do well. 

 

Sheridan is weak, but then most tier 10 lights are. 

 

M60 is a nice tank as well.

 

Most of the tier 9s are also good, aside the M103 and T54E1, but the Phase 1 is there as a better US tier 9 heavy.

 

US tanks are not super meta, but there are lots of decent to good tanks and most of their tanks are very comfy in terms of gun depression, gun handling, view range etc. 

 

I picked the Phase I from FL rewards. No regrets.

Smooth gun handling, smooth driving, responsive... the works.

 

View PostFrantisekBascovansky, on 14 June 2020 - 05:43 PM, said:

 

Oh you can't be serious.

T92 HMC is a piece of crap. Huge, slow, inaccurate, with long reload and funny shell trajectory. No gun depression.

Tier 9 is much better choice.

 







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