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Scabolcz #1 Posted 14 June 2020 - 05:40 PM

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Not sure where to report bugs, but here is one... Unless I'm blind and there is 2 Berlin maps, but I only see one... I feel deceived.

https://i.imgur.com/SJzdMlO.jpg

Edited by Scabolcz, 14 June 2020 - 05:41 PM.


mjs_89 #2 Posted 14 June 2020 - 05:41 PM

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Encounter

 

Edit: First! Also, banning maps only works for standard battles, this is an encounter map and thus not covered by the map blocker. Same with all encounter/assault maps ever since blocking was introduced...


Edited by mjs_89, 14 June 2020 - 05:43 PM.


Scabolcz #3 Posted 14 June 2020 - 05:43 PM

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View Postmjs_89, on 14 June 2020 - 05:41 PM, said:

Encounter

 

Nvm... "You can only exclude maps for random maps of the standart battle type"... Gotrcha... I still feeel deceived :sceptic:


Edited by Scabolcz, 14 June 2020 - 05:45 PM.


mjs_89 #4 Posted 14 June 2020 - 05:45 PM

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Yes, and there only needs to be one. You can only block the standard version of Berlin, not the encounter one. If you don't want to play it, you'll have to turn off encounter battles in your settings.

Homer_J #5 Posted 14 June 2020 - 05:47 PM

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View PostScabolcz, on 14 June 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

Not sure where to report bugs, but here is one... Unless I'm blind and there is 2 Berlin maps, but I only see one... I feel deceived.

https://i.imgur.com/SJzdMlO.jpg


When you exclude a map you get a humungous popup telling you it only excludes the map in standard mode and not in assault or encounter.  So if you have been deceived then it is by yourself by not reading.



TheJ4ckal #6 Posted 14 June 2020 - 06:10 PM

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19k games?

For a start there is clearly only one Berlin map.

2nd, you've been excluding maps clearly before now and you have not realised it only applies to standard battles.

3rd Not sure if this is a joke and tongue in cheek.

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LOL and I get called a noob all the time because I only have 5k battles

Homer_J #7 Posted 14 June 2020 - 06:23 PM

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View PostTheJ4ckal, on 14 June 2020 - 06:10 PM, said:

 

For a start there is clearly only one Berlin map.

 

 

You see that's the mistake a lot of people make.

 

There is Berlin, and Berlin Encounter.  They are two different maps.



OreH75 #8 Posted 14 June 2020 - 07:05 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 14 June 2020 - 06:23 PM, said:

 

You see that's the mistake a lot of people make.

 

There is Berlin, and Berlin Encounter.  They are two different maps.


No, it is the same map with different spawnpoints and flaglocations, that it why it is confusing despite the warnings you get when selecting a map.



divsmo #9 Posted 14 June 2020 - 07:10 PM

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View PostOreH75, on 14 June 2020 - 06:05 PM, said:


No, it is the same map with different spawnpoints and flaglocations, that it why it is confusing despite the warnings you get when selecting a map.

Can't speak for berlin but there are generally differences between the standard and encounter versions of maps. Spawn points and flag locations are just the easiest differences to spot.



Ricox #10 Posted 14 June 2020 - 07:12 PM

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Is there any rationale why you can only exclude maps for standard gamemode or was it just an arbitrary line they decided to draw on gamemodes? Seems counterproductive since it may discourage players from enabling the alternative game modes to avoid terrible maps (Airfield and Empire's Border ring a bell, although thankfully only one has a non-standard version), unless the intention is to discourage map excluding by making it less useful.

malachi6 #11 Posted 14 June 2020 - 09:33 PM

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View PostTheJ4ckal, on 14 June 2020 - 06:10 PM, said:

19k games?

For a start there is clearly only one Berlin map.

2nd, you've been excluding maps clearly before now and you have not realised it only applies to standard battles.

3rd Not sure if this is a joke and tongue in cheek.

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LOL and I get called a noob all the time because I only have 5k battles

 

19k games.  Irrelevant to the question asked.  If you don't know a thing you don't know it.  Best to ask and learn.

Been excluding maps before. An assumption by you as the OP's post makes no reference to having ever excluded maps before.

Your incredulity is again, irrelevant.

 

People mocking you for a low battle count are indulging in the same faulty reasoning as you.

 

Also, your ad hominem ads nothing to question that has been asked and answered.


Edited by malachi6, 15 June 2020 - 02:40 PM.


Spurtung #12 Posted 14 June 2020 - 09:46 PM

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View PostOreH75, on 14 June 2020 - 06:05 PM, said:

No, it is the same map with different spawnpoints and flaglocations, that it why it is confusing despite the warnings you get when selecting a map.

 

Is it the same?

Can't say I've played it nearly enough, but it's likely there will be differences between them.



Balc0ra #13 Posted 15 June 2020 - 01:04 AM

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View PostTheJ4ckal, on 14 June 2020 - 06:10 PM, said:

For a start there is clearly only one Berlin map.

 

View PostRicox, on 14 June 2020 - 07:12 PM, said:

Is there any rationale why you can only exclude maps for standard gamemode or was it just an arbitrary line they decided to draw on gamemodes?

 

Each map has one variant for standard battle. Then a completely different map file for the other modes. Now why WG did not add the other map variants into the one block, Idk. But either way. They are separate files or variants of it in the map file.

 

Why? Well, Ensk is the easiest example of differences. On Encounter, the cap is in the town center. So the standard map TD spots are blocked off. So you can't reset cap from that position. So thus they have variables and small changes to take the different cap positions into account in terms of defending/attacking. No idea what Berlin has, as I have not seen the other modes for it.


Edited by Balc0ra, 15 June 2020 - 01:04 AM.


LethalWalou #14 Posted 15 June 2020 - 02:13 AM

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View Postdivsmo, on 14 June 2020 - 06:10 PM, said:

Can't speak for berlin but there are generally differences between the standard and encounter versions of maps. Spawn points and flag locations are just the easiest differences to spot.

 

Indeed although the only one I can remember being different is Ensk where on Encounter the windows are blocked. I'm sure there are othe maps too that change. 



Nishi_Kinuyo #15 Posted 15 June 2020 - 10:04 AM

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View Postdivsmo, on 14 June 2020 - 07:10 PM, said:

Can't speak for berlin but there are generally differences between the standard and encounter versions of maps. Spawn points and flag locations are just the easiest differences to spot.

Rubble piles, blocked windows, etc....

They're different maps.



NekoPuffer_PPP #16 Posted 15 June 2020 - 10:58 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 15 June 2020 - 10:04 AM, said:

Rubble piles, blocked windows, etc....

They're different maps.

 

Main reason why I have Encounter/Assault off. Confuses the heck outta me.



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 15 June 2020 - 10:58 AM, said:

 

Main reason why I have Encounter/Assault off. Confuses the heck outta me.

 

Encounters are actually quite enjoyable, assault however never made sense to me.

Highly illogical to of have one side attack the other with equal forces at a reduced time limit.



TankkiPoju #18 Posted 15 June 2020 - 11:38 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 15 June 2020 - 01:04 AM, said:

Each map has one variant for standard battle. Then a completely different map file for the other modes.

 

So why can't I just exclude "Prokhorovka Encounter" if standard and encounter maps are supposedly "completely different"? :hiding:

 

I don't see how are standard and encounter maps "completely different" if there are only very small changes. And AFAIK the even the small changes apply to Ensk map. Literally in every other case, the encounter, assault and standard modes have the same map.

 

If a person excludes Ensk, I am pretty sure the same person would like to exclude just Ensk Encounter too. Not the entire encounter game mode.

 


Edited by TankkiPoju, 15 June 2020 - 11:43 AM.


mjs_89 #19 Posted 15 June 2020 - 06:11 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 15 June 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

So why can't I just exclude "Prokhorovka Encounter" if standard and encounter maps are supposedly "completely different"? :hiding:

 

I don't see how are standard and encounter maps "completely different" if there are only very small changes. And AFAIK the even the small changes apply to Ensk map. Literally in every other case, the encounter, assault and standard modes have the same map.

 

If a person excludes Ensk, I am pretty sure the same person would like to exclude just Ensk Encounter too. Not the entire encounter game mode.

 

Even if the map is a 100% c&p there's still 2 versions in the game files, so even if you had the option to block encounter maps seperately, you'd have to block Berlin/Ensk/whatever twice to get rid of it.






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