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Semih_Dellal #1 Posted 15 June 2020 - 12:43 AM

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278 standard penetration and 420 alpha on a tier9 medium with 105mm cannon...wtf ??? and it has a laser accuracy as well..seems too overpowered...those stats look very much like a fine TD gun...but its not...

 

Heavies like S Conq. and T110E5 has bigger gun but has worse alpha than this german...and they're tierX...isn't that awkward ?

 

wg have to nerf its gun a little bit...it seems too unbalanced...

 



Balc0ra #2 Posted 15 June 2020 - 12:49 AM

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View PostSemih_Dellal, on 15 June 2020 - 12:43 AM, said:

Heavies like S Conq. and T110E5 has bigger gun but has worse alpha than this german...and they're tierX...isn't that awkward

 

Heavies are the keyword there. Flanker/sniper support is not their role. It's the Leo's role. It was one of the worst tier 9 mediums. The recent buffs made it viable and good in the current meta. As it still has the worst WR of the tier 9 mediums.

 

Then again, it's not the only tier 9 medium with that gun.



vonadnan #3 Posted 15 June 2020 - 12:52 AM

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Get it ASAP, use blueprintes, free exp whatever, play the op monster of a tank 

Semih_Dellal #4 Posted 15 June 2020 - 12:53 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 15 June 2020 - 12:49 AM, said:

 

Heavies are the keyword there. Flanker/sniper support is not their role. It's the Leo's role. It was one of the worst tier 9 mediums. The recent buffs made it viable and good in the current meta. As it still has the worst WR of the tier 9 mediums.

 

Then again, it's not the only tier 9 medium with that gun.

Are there any better or equal tier9 medium gun than leo's ?

not that i know of...

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View Postvonadnan, on 15 June 2020 - 12:52 AM, said:

Get it ASAP, use blueprintes, free exp whatever, play the op monster of a tank 

 

That looks like the true answer unfortunately...



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View Postvonadnan, on 14 June 2020 - 11:52 PM, said:

Get it ASAP, use blueprintes, free exp whatever, play the op monster of a tank 




no_skill_bob #6 Posted 15 June 2020 - 02:01 AM

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hmm let me think, what else leopards have, apart from gun and mobility, emmm well - nothing? i wouldnt mind if it returned to pre-buff stats, as i played it before and i liked it, but as it is now is what a leopard should be - hard hitting sniper.

one thing that i do not like much though - premium apcr, sure it has great shell velocity and high pen for an apcr shell, but i preferred leo when it had HEAT.

1st issue - things like swe tds, you need heat to handle them with lower caliber guns.

2nd issue - i mean whats even the point of the standard apcr, if you can afford to load fulll prem - premium apcr is just better at every single way, if i recall correctly, swe tds had lower shell velocity on premium apcr than on standard apcr. that is what makes standard apcr viable. with leopards - if you swim in credits, no point to load even a single standard apcr - thats lazy balancing.


Edited by no_skill_bob, 15 June 2020 - 02:08 AM.


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View PostSemih_Dellal, on 15 June 2020 - 01:53 AM, said:

Are there any better or equal tier9 medium gun than leo's ?

not that i know of...

The gun doesn't make the tank - and a plethora of tier 9 Mediums are just as good if not better, with the Standard B, Obj 430, AMX-30, BatChat AP, Char Futur, T-54, T-55A, andtand Swedish tier IX medium all coming to mind.



Kartoshkaya #8 Posted 15 June 2020 - 08:27 AM

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Nerf leo pta ? How unusual, did you meant defender ?

Edited by Kartoshkaya, 15 June 2020 - 08:27 AM.


tajj7 #9 Posted 15 June 2020 - 08:31 AM

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I don't get why people think pen and a bit more alpha would make it OP.

 

Is the Waffle IV OP because it has 270 pen and 560 alpha on a full turreted TD with very good camo and decent mobility? Hell no, because again it's a paper tank in a meta that generally favours armour, the PTA and the Leo 1 are no different, they hit slightly harder than an E5 or Super Conq, so what? It's still less alpha than a 430U has, and that has superb armour and good mobility, it's way less alpha than the 60tp, E100. 705A. Bobject etc. have all of which are way easier to play than a Leo is, and it's much less than the clip damage of a Skoda T50, Standard B etc which are just as mobile.

 

If it's so OP why is not everyone playing one? I don't see tier 9 games flooded with PTAs, I see lots of Standard Bs, lots of T-55As, 430s, but not a huge amount of PTAs. It used to be a below par tier 9 medium, now it's a good tier 9, along with a load of other good tier 9 tanks. 



Hammerhead20 #10 Posted 15 June 2020 - 08:36 AM

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What are you smoking?

 

Leo PT A is amazing tank and it's amazing just because of that 105 mm gun.

 

Other than that it's just a paper vehicle which don't forgive mistakes if you do one...

 

Let me tell you something: Stop talking BS and leave Leo PT A alone...



Kartoshkaya #11 Posted 15 June 2020 - 08:44 AM

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View PostHammerhead20, on 15 June 2020 - 08:36 AM, said:

What are you smoking?

 

Leo PT A is amazing tank and it's amazing just because of that 105 mm gun.

 

Other than that it's just a paper vehicle which don't forgive mistakes if you do one...

 

Let me tell you something: Stop talking BS and leave Leo PT A alone...

 


Edited by Kartoshkaya, 15 June 2020 - 08:44 AM.


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View Posttajj7, on 15 June 2020 - 08:31 AM, said:

If it's so OP why is not everyone playing one? I don't see tier 9 games flooded with PTAs, I see lots of Standard Bs, lots of T-55As, 430s, but not a huge amount of PTAs. It used to be a below par tier 9 medium, now it's a good tier 9, along with a load of other good tier 9 tanks. 

 

+1 to that. PTA is a very good tank, but Standard B is still just flat out better. Because autoreloader.

 

And 430 has both firepower AND armor.

 

Btw T-55A feels kind of slipping out from meta at the moment. It doesn't really have firepower advantage and armor is also iffy. I guess it's mainly because Wargaming raised the alpha standard to 360 instead of 320.

 

 


Edited by TankkiPoju, 15 June 2020 - 08:50 AM.


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View PostSemih_Dellal, on 15 June 2020 - 01:53 AM, said:

Are there any better or equal tier9 medium gun than leo's ?

not that i know of...

Define "better". The Standard-B doesn't have quite the alpha and accuracy, but the clip potential makes it much more flexible. Similar for the M46 with its superior dispersion softstats and DPM.

And the big downside of the Leos is the total lack of armor compared to other mediums, so obviously they need some compensation for that.

 

View PostSemih_Dellal, on 15 June 2020 - 01:43 AM, said:

Heavies like S Conq. and T110E5 has bigger gun but has worse alpha than this german...and they're tierX...isn't that awkward ?

They (esp. the S-Conq) have more DPM, more HP and infinitely more armor.


Edited by Geno1isme, 15 June 2020 - 09:29 AM.


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View PostTankkiPoju, on 15 June 2020 - 08:46 AM, said:

 

Btw T-55A feels kind of slipping out from meta at the moment. It doesn't really have firepower advantage and armor is also iffy. I guess it's mainly because Wargaming raised the alpha standard to 360 instead of 320.

 

 

 

That is true, in the current powercreep 240 alpha is 280, 320 is 360, 390 is 420 and I think 440 might become 490 and the old 490 in 560



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View PostSemih_Dellal, on 15 June 2020 - 12:53 AM, said:

Are there any better or equal tier9 medium gun than leo's ?

not that i know of...

 

As others did point out. Gun alone don't make the tank. The platform is not amazing to name one. The same L7 gun is on the UK 7/1. A tiny bit less pen and ROF, but also 0.2 less dispersion. It's still high for a tier 9 med. But that tank does a different role better vs the Leo, but still is not OP. As he only does one role good. And if the map or situation forces him to brawl a 430 or Standard B close up. That gun will only get him that far with that hull.

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 15 June 2020 - 11:27 AM.


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Leopard PTA being called OP, i didn´t expect to live long enough to see this.

And this coming from someone who played 300 battle in the original release pta, without all the buffs it received over the years.



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View PostSemih_Dellal, on 14 June 2020 - 11:43 PM, said:

278 standard penetration and 420 alpha on a tier9 medium with 105mm cannon...wtf ??? and it has a laser accuracy as well..seems too overpowered...those stats look very much like a fine TD gun...but its not... Why is this the tier IX medium with the lowest win rate? The answer is because it is balanced. It has no armour. It's defining item is the good gun. The rest of the package is not as strong. That makes it hard to play. That is why the win rate is the lowest of all the tier IX mediums

 

Heavies like S Conq. and T110E5 has bigger gun but has worse alpha than this german...and they're tierX...isn't that awkward ? You are comparing heavies to a medium that has paper tissue for armour. Both the tanks you reference have huge armour and hit point advantages over the Leopard PTA. Your idea is similar to suggesting that Apples do not taste enough like Pears and so Apples should be nerfed.

 

wg have to nerf its gun a little bit...it seems too unbalanced... NO absolutely not. The whole package is a strong gun and weak armour. It is a classic "glass cannon" class. Most games have them.

 

View PostSemih_Dellal, on 14 June 2020 - 11:53 PM, said:

Are there any better or equal tier9 medium gun than leo's ?

not that i know of...  Apparently you do not know much. The tier IX medium with the highest win rate is the Standard B. In fact if you had been watching the news items you would have seen that WG has been testing nerfing it as too good. In addition the M46 Patton has fantastic snap shoot ability, while the gun on the Type 61 is almost as good. Meanwhile the AMX 30 Proto used to be better until WG altered it, buffing the armour and nerfing the gun handling. The old version of the AMX 30 proto used to be better than the Leopard PTA (it is not now)

 



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It's made of paper and gets annihilated by anyone with enough brain power to load HE against it. Though I do see a lot of them in the mm. 

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View PostSemih_Dellal, on 15 June 2020 - 12:43 AM, said:

278 standard penetration and 420 alpha on a tier9 medium with 105mm cannon...wtf ??? and it has a laser accuracy as well..seems too overpowered...those stats look very much like a fine TD gun...but its not...

 

Heavies like S Conq. and T110E5 has bigger gun but has worse alpha than this german...and they're tierX...isn't that awkward ?

 

wg have to nerf its gun a little bit...it seems too unbalanced...

 

 

The gun was "a little bit worse" before it was buffed and the tank was below average. So maybe stop complaining. The tank has no armor, it gets penned with HE and it has not enough hp/t to reach it top speed reliably. 

 

Also Sconq has better gun handling. I am 3marking my Leo PTA currently and it's a good tank only in the hands of very good players. I



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What a pointless thread. "Hey this gun is great, it does loads of damage and shoots exactly where you aim it — nerf it!" How about just get a Leopard PTA yourself and enjoy playing it. Would you be happy if all the guns in the game were low accuracy/damage? #WorstGameEver

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