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Dwigt #1 Posted 16 June 2020 - 10:15 AM

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Greetings commanders
 

We are bringing one more round of iteration to some of our maps.

 

Ruinberg


Rework reasons:
A strong, growing imbalance in favor of the lower team is observed on the map.
As a result of the analysis of statistical data gathered, we want to check the following changes that are aimed at balancing the positions for the upper team. However, we want to preserve the usual battle pattern and not make it absolutely symmetrical.
All changes generally affect the city.

Changes scheme:

 

ruinberg.jpg
 

What was added:
After the previous test, changes 8.1 and 8.2 were removed as they turned out to be ineffective. Other changes stayed. The small town was cleared of visual clutter and small destructible obstacles.
Also, points 9 and 10 were added to the old edits.

Point by point:
1. A residential area was opened to create additional diversity in streets, paths, and positions for SPGs of the upper team. There are similar positions in open residential areas for the lower team. Thanks to that, additional playing space appeared and the outdated dead-end disappeared from the upper left corner of the map.
2. Damaged building with firing points (similar to the one near the lower base).
3. Instead of the central temple building, there is an additional passage with positions for the upper team. It creates new opportunities for the defending team to hold off advancing enemies at the square or fight against more distant positions (the usual bottleneck at the square for the lower team was not removed).
4. Added piles near the building edges in these spots. The first pile at point 4 may be used by players of both the upper and lower teams.
5. The contour of the residential area was corrected to make it more ledged on the side. This allows more positions to be taken up nearby.
6. A position was added to shoot at the passage of the lower team.
7. Minor change. The obstructing burned vehicle hull was removed.
8. Loopholes in the walls were closed. One "balcony" remains.
9. Several buildings were added that allow taking cover from the balcony in point 8 and some other firing lines.
10. A small pile. A dangerous position that allows taking cover from balcony 8, but it's open to other lines and SPG fire.
 + for the increased size of the map.
10.1 The map increased in size towards the upper spawn point. The main goal of this change is to move the passage further away from the center of the map for the upper team, decrease the importance of spotting in these places, and create positions that have similar opportunities for the lower base. It is now possible to move from the city to the green area and back more comfortably.

 

Before/After:

 

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Empire's Border

 

Empire.jpg


Rework reasons:
The general corridor-like design of the map, poor connection between lines, lack of opportunity to maneuver on the map, and the advantage in favor of the lower team.
1. The line for medium and light tanks was reworked with more opportunities to maneuver. Also, a connection was created between the gates in the center of the map (Zone #4).
2. The TD position was reworked to provide more control over the passage from the HT zone (#5) and over the new open area (zone #6).
3. A corner was cut to balance the time for heavy tanks driving into zone #5. 
4. The gate in the center of the map was expanded. The terrain between zones 4 and 5 (at the gates) was leveled. The outside of the mountain now has lines of fire towards the fighting area for heavy tanks (zone #5). The terrain was changed for more comfortable playing. Cover was added from Zone #1. 
5. The fighting area for heavy tanks was reworked completely. The advantage of the lower team was removed. The general terrain was leveled for more comfortable driving.
6. The line in the corner of the map was fully reworked. Now it facilitates flanking attacks at the fighting area for heavy tanks (zone #5) and TD positions (zones #2 and #7). 
7. The TD position was reworked to provide more control over the passage from the HT zone (#5) and over the new open area (zone #6).

 

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Let us know what do you think of these changes!

Cheers.



Gkirmathal #2 Posted 17 June 2020 - 01:19 PM

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For Empire Border.

IMO around the area's of points (1) & (6) they should add in a few small destructible houses/buildings + some low % concealment scrubs. Especially the area around point 6.

Currently that area for the looks of it looks much too open making it a dead zone and we already have too many 1.0 reworked and new maps that feature this map design disaster of: flattened open & cover-less dead zone area's.

 

As for Ruinberg I do like the looks of both of the proposals and I guess if they implement either one it would be a step forward.



FuZzZzzz #3 Posted 17 June 2020 - 05:06 PM

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How about Fiords, hmmm? This map is so retarded to be play when you get spawned at left side.

saxsan4 #4 Posted 17 June 2020 - 08:59 PM

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Empires border ruined,  one of my favourite maps currently , now I will hate playing it :(

Zagy_BG #5 Posted 22 June 2020 - 05:51 AM

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Empire Border - this was long overdue.

Inappropriate_noob #6 Posted 07 July 2020 - 01:20 PM

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View PostDwigt, on 16 June 2020 - 10:15 AM, said:

Let us know what do you think of these changes!

Cheers.

 

What is the point, since when has WG ever listened to what the EU community think, go on, give me one example?

I suspect Empires border will become  flat map, which are totally useless for any vehicle that has to go hull down, so thats ant Brit heavy screwed right there, then there will be a de foilage of open areas so LT's and TD's have nowhere to nest ,not something I am looking forward to.



saxsan4 #7 Posted 07 July 2020 - 01:27 PM

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View PostInappropriate_noob, on 07 July 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

 

What is the point, since when has WG ever listened to what the EU community think, go on, give me one example?

I suspect Empires border will become  flat map, which are totally useless for any vehicle that has to go hull down, so thats ant Brit heavy screwed right there, then there will be a de foilage of open areas so LT's and TD's have nowhere to nest ,not something I am looking forward to.


Yes, I dont understand why they have totally changed the style of the map from its current great hull down map to a flat open TD/Arty campfest

 

Many of us like being able to fight whats in front of us not worrying that if we leave a rock we will be killed form different directions 

 

 

personally I think map reworks should not change comeptlelty the style of the map but enhance its positives, the only thing that is similar between the two empires border is the name



Inappropriate_noob #8 Posted 07 July 2020 - 01:34 PM

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View Postsaxsan4, on 07 July 2020 - 01:27 PM, said:


Yes, I dont understand why they have totally changed the style of the map from its current great hull down map to a flat open TD/Arty campfest

 

Many of us like being able to fight whats in front of us not worrying that if we leave a rock we will be killed form different directions 

 

 

personally I think map reworks should not change comeptlelty the style of the map but enhance its positives, the only thing that is similar between the two empires border is the name

Enhancement is too big a word for WG to understand, a lot of maps could do with a lot of enhancement rather that just butchering or ruining. Erlensburg, Sand River, Fjords, and Prokarovka on the 1-2 line needs some enhancements, but we can only dream on.



Elleriel #9 Posted Yesterday, 09:45 PM

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Empire's botrder is a fine map actually, just need people to know their tanks, where to go and be able to read a map

It's not in making it more "kid-friendly" that it will be more fun. 

Once more WG will give favor to unskilled stupid campers than to skilled players able to read map and able to turn ennemie's positions. 






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