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Warzey #1 Posted 16 June 2020 - 07:38 PM

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Guys can you explain 2 Grille shots from this replay? http://wotreplays.eu/site/5432424#fisherman_s_bay-warzey-prototipo_standard_b

 

I could say that first one was a lucky blind shot, but I can't explain the second one.

 

EDIT: Just to clarify, this is not my replay, a friend asked me to explain how Grille managed to hit him 2 times.


Edited by Warzey, 16 June 2020 - 08:50 PM.


Balc0ra #2 Posted 16 June 2020 - 08:04 PM

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Well, you did not drive over objects to get the map mod to work. And ofc if you're not spotted, the enemy client doesn't get any info for mods to read.

 

So insane luck, or perma spotted are two options. As in the last case, I tend to ask some of the enemy players for a replay. You would be surprised on how often I get a positive reply with a link to see if that was indeed the case.



lennymclean #3 Posted 16 June 2020 - 08:27 PM

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No trees knocked down, no tanks behind you and your commander did not die. I doubt you were perma spotted. First shot was just a blind shot, you went back to the same place you were spotted. The second was very lucky on his part. I'm guessing he had an insight that you would not go to the same spot again and shot were he thought you might move. I would have asked him about the second shot as it was extremely lucky.

WindSplitter1 #4 Posted 16 June 2020 - 08:30 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 16 June 2020 - 07:04 PM, said:

You would be surprised on how often I get a positive reply with a link to see if that was indeed the case.

 

Is that so...?

Please explain.



Private_Miros #5 Posted 16 June 2020 - 08:38 PM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 16 June 2020 - 07:30 PM, said:

 

Is that so...?

Please explain.

 

Because contrary to common belief most people are quite civil and will provide a replay when asked friendly.

 

"Friendly" is the key here: "hi, good shot there, could I have the replay to see how it happened and learn from it" vs "you f******* s*** cheater, prove that this wasn't hax you utter *******".


Edited by Private_Miros, 16 June 2020 - 08:49 PM.


Balc0ra #6 Posted 16 June 2020 - 08:45 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 16 June 2020 - 08:38 PM, said:

 

Because contrary to common believe most people are quite civil and will provide a replay when asked friendly.

 

"Friendly" is the key here: "hi, good shot there, could I have the replay to see how it happened and learn from it" vs "you f******* s*** cheater, prove that this wasn't hax you utter *******".

 

Exactly this. I do ask now and then. And simply explain that I'm curious to see how often and how long I was spotted, or just to see where the last enemy went to learn from it. As I did last night when a Type 4 drove off a hill, and my 13 90 that came 10 seconds later could not even find him in the area at all causing a draw. So I did PM him just to see where he did go that fast in an open area more or less.

 

So if you ask nicely or politely, like on this forum, you tend to get the same reply back. 



WindSplitter1 #7 Posted 16 June 2020 - 08:54 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 16 June 2020 - 07:38 PM, said:

 

Because contrary to common belief most people are quite civil and will provide a replay when asked friendly.

 

"Friendly" is the key here: "hi, good shot there, could I have the replay to see how it happened and learn from it" vs "you f******* s*** cheater, prove that this wasn't hax you utter *******".

 

Wouldn't cross my mind to act like such vile example. And I recognize politeness is a good lubricant in interpersonal relationships.

Nice to know otherwise)))



Mimos_A #8 Posted 16 June 2020 - 09:34 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 16 June 2020 - 08:38 PM, said:

 

Because contrary to common belief most people are quite civil and will provide a replay when asked friendly.

 

"Friendly" is the key here: "hi, good shot there, could I have the replay to see how it happened and learn from it" vs "you f******* s*** cheater, prove that this wasn't hax you utter *******".


Yup, I've had several very civil conversations both ways after asking or being asked what was going on. Even some of the people immediately crying about cheats at first tend to calm down after you politely tell them what was going on and (offer to) send them the replay.


Edited by Mimos_A, 16 June 2020 - 09:35 PM.


24doom24 #9 Posted 16 June 2020 - 09:42 PM

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Extremely unlucky. That grille was probably spamming every bush on that line. I do the same on this map as many mediums and tds tend to camp along those bushes. 

Hyina #10 Posted 16 June 2020 - 09:53 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 16 June 2020 - 08:38 PM, said:

 

Because contrary to common belief most people are quite civil and will provide a replay when asked friendly.

 

Hax.



Nishi_Kinuyo #11 Posted 16 June 2020 - 11:18 PM

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View Postlennymclean, on 16 June 2020 - 08:27 PM, said:

No trees knocked down, no tanks behind you and your commander did not die. I doubt you were perma spotted. First shot was just a blind shot, you went back to the same place you were spotted. The second was very lucky on his part. I'm guessing he had an insight that you would not go to the same spot again and shot were he thought you might move. I would have asked him about the second shot as it was extremely lucky.

Same conclusion here.

First one was in the same spot you were spotted at before.

And for both; they're spots usually worth firing at if nothing presents itself since they are semi-popular bushes to camp.



Yaccay #12 Posted 17 June 2020 - 05:14 AM

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The first one was obvious. You went to the same place back, where you were spotted.

The second one was probably just a lucky guess.

I shot enemis plenty of times just guessing where he could be.

And I was shot plenty of times, when not even a cheat could detect me. (Ie.: I was in a non obvious place, un-spotted, I did not turn over any tree or destroyed any object, I did not shot)



azakow #13 Posted 17 June 2020 - 06:15 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 16 June 2020 - 08:04 PM, said:

Well, you did not drive over objects to get the map mod to work. And ofc if you're not spotted, the enemy client doesn't get any info for mods to read.

 

So insane luck, or perma spotted are two options. As in the last case, I tend to ask some of the enemy players for a replay. You would be surprised on how often I get a positive reply with a link to see if that was indeed the case.

at 11:45 the remains of a tree trunk are destroyed. I asssume this counts as objects in this matter.



lennymclean #14 Posted 17 June 2020 - 06:51 AM

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View Postazakow, on 17 June 2020 - 05:15 AM, said:

at 11:45 the remains of a tree trunk are destroyed. I asssume this counts as objects in this matter.

Well spotted. You are right he does hit the trunk just before getting shot.



azakow #15 Posted 17 June 2020 - 08:50 AM

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So does this replay qualify a report?

View PostPrivate_Miros, on 16 June 2020 - 08:38 PM, said:

 

Because contrary to common belief most people are quite civil and will provide a replay when asked friendly.

 

"Friendly" is the key here: "hi, good shot there, could I have the replay to see how it happened and learn from it" vs "you f******* s*** cheater, prove that this wasn't hax you utter *******".

I use the latter option always, in such cases like the OP. I ask more than one opponent player.

The most common reply is: "Sry I do not record" or "sry I just started the next match :)"

 

... it seems very "optimistic" that someone who uses such mods will provide a replay to confirm his bad doing.



ZlatanArKung #16 Posted 17 June 2020 - 10:49 AM

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View PostHyina, on 16 June 2020 - 09:53 PM, said:

 

Hax.

Yes, in WoT acting nice do require hax or cheats of some sort.

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View Postazakow, on 17 June 2020 - 08:50 AM, said:

So does this replay qualify a report?

I use the latter option always, in such cases like the OP. I ask more than one opponent player.

The most common reply is: "Sry I do not record" or "sry I just started the next match :)"

 

... it seems very "optimistic" that someone who uses such mods will provide a replay to confirm his bad doing.

Try to use the friendly question instead. Then you might have better luck.

Since people do tend to ignore and don't have anything to do with you if you act like the 2nd option,  and thus only find a way to get rid of you.



_GrooziN_ #17 Posted 17 June 2020 - 10:55 AM

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Didn't watch the replay, but the only way the opponent could have cheated, judging from the discussion is by having the mod showing destroyed objects. In situations like this I also take into consideration skill of the 'accused' player. I'd assume the better ones are more likely to blind fire obvious bushes (or the ones where enemy was spotted before). Not that they are less likely to use forbidden modifications though...




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