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Lactose_The_Intolerant #141 Posted 10 May 2012 - 12:07 AM

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The tank is ncie but the MM hates it. I keep landing in tier 9-10 matches. so it makes it a bad tank

Khold #142 Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:16 PM

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Yes Lactose, I am having the same problem. Before patch 7.3 I tend to be in versatile games sometimes I am upper middle or sometimes lower middle. Now I keep seeing Tier 9 and Tier 10 tanks all the time. Its retarded. I mean this tank can function as a scout somewhat, but lately MM has been throwing me always at the bottom of every match.

The excessive use of Type59's doesn't make the matches anymore interesting either. Seriously, there is no way that MM is working as it is intended as 90% of all matches that this tank gets into is at the bottom.

LordofHara #143 Posted 20 May 2012 - 09:30 PM

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Khold and Lactose are right. What is wrong with the MM on the AMX 13/75? Did WG changed it or are we going mad?
It kills the fun with the AMX 13/75.

TacticalPlaid #144 Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:06 PM

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As others have opined, it's a great tank with horrid MM. When you do face other tier 5s and 6s.....man this thing just rapes.

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View PostTacticalPlaid, on 21 May 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

As others have opined, it's a great tank with horrid MM. When you do face other tier 5s and 6s.....man this thing just rapes.

And how big are the chances for ending up in a tier 6 match? The MM takes the fun out of the AMX13-75

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agreed. i go to town during T7 matches, only problem with those battles.... i run out of ammo :Smile_trollface-3:

harl3qin #147 Posted 23 May 2012 - 02:53 PM

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I see a lot of people are complaining about bad MM, so I guess it might have been changes since I played it a couple of months ago. But the AMX series was the most fun I've had while grinding, I really suggest you go for it! Just don't use it as a scout - go counter scout instead!

Head towards a vantage point early in the game and hide. Wait for incoming scouts > Fast paced pursuit with 6 shells = Win. Later in the game I'd stay second in line and flank once those heavy tanks are reloading. They will probably not be able to hit you once you've gotten behind them.

Good luck!

Gendaito #148 Posted 23 May 2012 - 09:41 PM

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View PostExard3k, on 07 January 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

If you like the AMX 12, then you'll love the AMX 13/75.

Matchmaking is still flawed for light tanks >Tier4, but with AMX 13 it isn't that bad anymore if you get used to it.
Most matches are Tier9, some tier8 and rarely tier7 or  tier 10

Why then do i keep getting T9/10 battles in my 13-75 most of the time

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View PostLordofHara, on 23 May 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

And how big are the chances for ending up in a tier 6 match? The MM takes the fun out of the AMX13-75

i totaly agree on this one this awesome little tank is no more than a practice target the way MM treats it

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View PostGendaito, on 23 May 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

i totaly agree on this one this awesome little tank is no more than a practice target the way MM treats it

It is. And most of the time people start to tell me I am a noob because I dont rush to their base and scout like a T50-2

Khold #151 Posted 29 May 2012 - 12:35 PM

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That is the problem. If this tank is near the middle you can rush to a vantage point and start fighting those scouts. Problem is that when I am playing I end up in a Tier10 game where the only other scout is a medium tank like a pershing or t-43.

Yes, I can take out those tanks, well maybe not a pershing. But behind those tanks are BatChats, Mauses, E-100 and those annoying Wallet Warriors.

After the last update, this tank fails to compete and it just sits in my garage now. I can scout, but I don't want to scout everytime. If I wanted I would buy a t-50. And please devs do not give me that crap of "it is is working as intended". Something changed in the variables, MM screws you over and what not.

Lactose_The_Intolerant #152 Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:14 PM

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i'v given hope on amx light tree.

having more fun on my heavy line and my arl44, if only it had a slitgher heavier front turret armor it would be perfect....

SabatonPagan #153 Posted 31 May 2012 - 11:39 AM

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All AMX tanks have a higher MM value because they are OP. Which lets face it is the reason you play with them.
The reason you think the tank is getting worse is because people are learning how to try and slow down the ownage of a few French tanks.

I can't wait to see how incredibly broken the Brits will be!

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View PostSabatonPagan, on 31 May 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

All AMX tanks have a higher MM value because they are OP. Which lets face it is the reason you play with them.
The reason you think the tank is getting worse is because people are learning how to try and slow down the ownage of a few French tanks.

I can't wait to see how incredibly broken the Brits will be!

The only thing going for the amx lights is the automatic loader that can shoot 5 shells quickly.

Lets see what they lack

>Armor
>Acceleration
>Health

Speed is okay in a straight line, but once you start zigzagging it loses speed quickly.

One hit takes out either tracks, engine, driver, gun, gunner, fuel tanks, ammo rack, or turret or multiples. The Amx lights are driving modules. Then ofcourse you get the pseudo expert tank drivers that spout nonsense like "HURRR DUURRR Just don't get hit DERP" but this tank is ineffective to be a good sniper as it is not designed for that. It is a semi brawler preferable to circle around an enemy tank hoping it wont get hit.

Matchmaker always sets me up against tier 9 and 10. While I am a tier 6 light. I am put at the bottom of the team when everyone else are either superheavies, heavies or the heavy mediums. My enemies are Maus, E-100, T-32's, Pershings, Pattons, IS-8, IS-3, IS-4 etc. Occasionally I find an T-20 or a T-34-85 in my enemies team who will probably think the very same thing.

French tanks are not OP, they have more flaws than any other tanks, but above all Matchmaker screws you over. My vote would be to lower tier 6 french by one in the matchmaking that it does not end up against Tier 10's anymore.

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View PostKhold, on 01 June 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

The only thing going for the amx lights is the automatic loader that can shoot 5 shells quickly.

Lets see what they lack

>Armor
>Acceleration
>Health

Speed is okay in a straight line, but once you start zigzagging it loses speed quickly.

One hit takes out either tracks, engine, driver, gun, gunner, fuel tanks, ammo rack, or turret or multiples. The Amx lights are driving modules. Then ofcourse you get the pseudo expert tank drivers that spout nonsense like "HURRR DUURRR Just don't get hit DERP" but this tank is ineffective to be a good sniper as it is not designed for that. It is a semi brawler preferable to circle around an enemy tank hoping it wont get hit.

Matchmaker always sets me up against tier 9 and 10. While I am a tier 6 light. I am put at the bottom of the team when everyone else are either superheavies, heavies or the heavy mediums. My enemies are Maus, E-100, T-32's, Pershings, Pattons, IS-8, IS-3, IS-4 etc. Occasionally I find an T-20 or a T-34-85 in my enemies team who will probably think the very same thing.

French tanks are not OP, they have more flaws than any other tanks, but above all Matchmaker screws you over. My vote would be to lower tier 6 french by one in the matchmaking that it does not end up against Tier 10's anymore.
Indeed you are right!
Tank is pretty good, but since have no acceleration on the first place, there is no reason to be in matches with top tier.
At least not in one with half a team have Tier IX and X. Only option there: cruise control on full speed ahead and drink your coffee :arta:
Maybe with 13 90 can do something there, but with 13 75 - not a chance

SALUT!

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Right now i drive T-44,VK36H, Jumbo sherman, T-50. Just got rid of the KV-3 and IS-3 is in a vacation.
My enemies are also Maus, E-100, T-32's, Pershings, Pattons, IS-8, IS-3, IS-4 etc. In any of my tanks tier 5-8 and i tend to see the AMX tanks doing a lot better.
they lack:
>Armor   - Its a light tank!!! what armor!
>Acceleration - ok one draw back but you cant have it all
>Health - Again its a light tank that can take 2 400+ dmg 122mm shell in the behind and walk away (admittedly slightly slower than before but it was up hill so i cant be sure!!!)
i have shot them with AP and HE and watched them keep going 9/10 times, no issues! Than just flies by me while my gun takes a few decades to reload and kills me with 4-5 shots (granted if he misses one he has to run away and let arty or something finish me)

My point is - AMXs are light tanks that stay with the group and flank a distracted enemy shooting him 5 times before he knows whats what and runs! Now its a brawler and a way too  good one in decent hands!

Im not even gonna bother with the Unstopable Tier 8-9

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View PostSabatonPagan, on 01 June 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

Right now i drive T-44,VK36H, Jumbo sherman, T-50. Just got rid of the KV-3 and IS-3 is in a vacation.
My enemies are also Maus, E-100, T-32's, Pershings, Pattons, IS-8, IS-3, IS-4 etc. In any of my tanks tier 5-8 and i tend to see the AMX tanks doing a lot better.
they lack:
>Armor   - Its a light tank!!! what armor!
>Acceleration - ok one draw back but you cant have it all
>Health - Again its a light tank that can take 2 400+ dmg 122mm shell in the behind and walk away (admittedly slightly slower than before but it was up hill so i cant be sure!!!)
i have shot them with AP and HE and watched them keep going 9/10 times, no issues! Than just flies by me while my gun takes a few decades to reload and kills me with 4-5 shots (granted if he misses one he has to run away and let arty or something finish me)

My point is - AMXs are light tanks that stay with the group and flank a distracted enemy shooting him 5 times before he knows whats what and runs! Now its a brawler and a way too  good one in decent hands!

Im not even gonna bother with the Unstopable Tier 8-9

You fail to see how bad this tank is and using multiple exclamation marks does not add anything to your post. Anytime you see an AMX he has had countless battles before against Tier 8 -9 -10's that have one shotted him or crippled him enough for him to be useless. The only time this tank excels and becomes a beast is within the lower tiers, maybe +2 of its own. Its a light tank often classified as a scout by MM and send out on the battlefield with a peashooter against driving fortresses.

Its health is so low but it is still a brawler, and brawler are out there on the front line. When the enemy spots you they lock on to you not because you seem like a threat, but because you are an easy kill, weak with no health. I admit that a light should not have thick armor but this armor can be penetrated everywhere by everything. Even tier 4 has not problem penetrating you.

Only at tier 7, 8 and 9 become the amx a threat to be reckoned with simply because they carry the gun fearful enough that can kill you.

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I see you have not played the VK3001P, or you would know what useless without full upgrades means :) . All tanks suck on stock. Hell most carry a gun that cant penetrate them let alone a higher tier.
Check the Hellcat and its HP and armor.
The gun you will use most of the time is the 76mm M1A2 with:
128/177/38 Average penetration (mm) 115/110/185
Average damage
The gun you will use in the AMX 75 is the 75mm SA50 with:
144/202/38 Average penetration (mm) 135/135/175 Average damage

So the hellcat is a TD with less firepower before maxed out, less armor, less HP and in next patxh less traverse, also is open top and one HE round means goodnight. How is your light tank not overpowered compared to that.

Just wondering :)


Edited by SabatonPagan, 02 June 2012 - 12:53 PM.


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View PostSabatonPagan, on 02 June 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

I see you have not played the VK3001P, or you would know what useless without full upgrades means :) . All tanks suck on stock. Hell most carry a gun that cant penetrate them let alone a higher tier.
Check the Hellcat and its HP and armor.
The gun you will use most of the time is the 76mm M1A2 with:
128/177/38 Average penetration (mm) 115/110/185
Average damage
The gun you will use in the AMX 75 is the 75mm SA50 with:
144/202/38 Average penetration (mm) 135/135/175 Average damage

So the hellcat is a TD with less firepower before maxed out, less armor, less HP and in next patxh less traverse, also is open top and one HE round means goodnight. How is your light tank not overpowered compared to that.

Just wondering :)

Your comparing a tank with its top gun with a tank without its top gun, of course the one with its top gun is going to be better. :Smile_smile:

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View PostSabatonPagan, on 02 June 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

I see you have not played the VK3001P, or you would know what useless without full upgrades means :) . All tanks suck on stock. Hell most carry a gun that cant penetrate them let alone a higher tier.
Check the Hellcat and its HP and armor.
The gun you will use most of the time is the 76mm M1A2 with:
128/177/38 Average penetration (mm) 115/110/185
Average damage
The gun you will use in the AMX 75 is the 75mm SA50 with:
144/202/38 Average penetration (mm) 135/135/175 Average damage

So the hellcat is a TD with less firepower before maxed out, less armor, less HP and in next patxh less traverse, also is open top and one HE round means goodnight. How is your light tank not overpowered compared to that.

Just wondering :)


So wait, you bring up a medium tank as an example to back up your arguments, and then you continue comparing the amx 13-75 to the TankDestroyer M18 Hellcat, while saying that a stock tank sucks. Explain to me the link between them and the amx 13/75.

My amx 13-75 is 100% crew training in camo and I have all the modules equipped, with a camo net and vents. I am not saying it is a bad tank in general, I am saying this is a bad tank in tier 9-10 battles which it often gets put into. Now I have to admit I just got out of a tier 10 battle where I did really good, it is the first tier 10 battle that I won.

It was that Greek/Italian map and I stayed at base for a very long time. Occasionally shooting at tanks and nimbeling health away. In the end there was just me and a GWTiger against a IS-7 and a US TD T-95 Bunkerbuster. At first I spotted the IS-7 and I went up a hill while shooting needles up his ass, and luckily the GWTiger knew how to shoot. Then the T-95 was spotted and after a while we won. Made 30.000 creds and near 1000 exp in a normal game.

Point in case: If you have a team that knows what needs to be done then you can have good matches. Unfortunately you do not have that luxury many many times.




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