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Alcoholic_Hellhound #1 Posted 19 June 2020 - 06:50 PM

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I dont have to collect data for X years. I can see that Sheridan sucks as LT, I can see that Tiger II is just a joke for a few years already, I can that Manticore entire british Lt line  was kinda a joke after EBR line.. 

 

But WG, we need to collect more data, then we need to drink all the vodka we can buy in the local store. Ye I might be average pleb but I could balance this joke of a game on tier X by providing simple text document what to nerf and what to buff, you know why, cuz I aint so ...... as people working for WG, or milk farmers working for WG.

 

Tiger II sucks, oh need to collect more data about it, Flipoverwagon the worst LT in game sucks? What a surprise.



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View PostPathethicc_Noob, on 19 June 2020 - 06:50 PM, said:

I dont have to collect data for X years. I can see that Sheridan sucks as LT, I can see that Tiger II is just a joke for a few years already, I can that Manticore entire british Lt line  was kinda a joke after EBR line..

 

Then with no data, tells us how you would balance them without testing? Or even what order you do all the 200 underpowered tanks. As doing that in one patch is no small task. As the Tiger II is not alone.

 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 19 June 2020 - 06:53 PM.


Alcoholic_Hellhound #3 Posted 19 June 2020 - 06:54 PM

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What testing? Everyone who played some undeperforming tanks who is at least average player can tell which tanks are OP and which suck hard. You make yourself sound like ... Balcora please dont. 

 

its not my problem that WG is so F incompetent in this that arent aware of bad/OP tanks or maybe they are? Like that video with circon and andreay guy? It was a joke, A F Joke. So the WG recognize some tanks sucks after 5 years? Who would have say? ALso WG: WE dont want to buff or nerf some tanks strognly or we would have to done it again,??? LIke welcome to world of online games? Welcome to the world of very game balancing?????

 

also this forum seems sometimes like a joke a joke so what, a miss the times of writing essays in high school/university so all thats left is 4chan or this forum.


Edited by Pathethicc_Noob, 19 June 2020 - 06:59 PM.


Balc0ra #4 Posted 19 June 2020 - 07:08 PM

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View PostPathethicc_Noob, on 19 June 2020 - 06:54 PM, said:

What testing? Everyone who played some undeperforming tanks who is at least average player can tell which tanks are OP and which suck hard. You make yourself sound like ... Balcora please dont.

 

No need to be that jerky about it. I simply asked what they should buff on it vs the data they had. As in what do you feel it's lacking. And that the Tiger II and Sheridan are far from the worst performers on their class and tier for me to want them done first.

 

But the Tiger II is being tested for buffs as we speak. And they did jo just that once. Just "balanced" it because it was bad vs testing it. It became the most broken tier X instantly. So I don't mind that they take their time with it either.



Alcoholic_Hellhound #5 Posted 19 June 2020 - 07:11 PM

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I didnt want to be jerky or something... but what can you think about it when there are tanks in this game, that everybody who played them with some number of battles. and everybody with common sense realize they are just bad and underperforming tanks and WG is like: Nah we dont care, we need to collect more data, or we make british lights tanks after the EBR line because we are all geniuses in WG:
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View PostBalc0ra, on 19 June 2020 - 06:08 PM, said:

 

 So I don't mind that they take their time with it either.

 

I dont mind that, but taking it several years? Remember bobject? How broken it was? Everybody with common sense who was at least average player knew that is was ..... broken EDIT tank. Remember how long it took them to nerf it? Even now that line is kinda a joke, with tier7 and 8 mini bobjects. It takes 1 + year of rants on forum to realize the game developer that they make absolutely broken OP tanK?

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OK Forget tiger II, what about Flippangerwagen? The worst tier X tank? Worse than aManticore even? Will the WG need 5 more years of collecting data to realize that it sucks?

 

OK, so maybe its not worse than EA or Bethesda, but these 3 could easily compete with each other.


Edited by Pathethicc_Noob, 19 June 2020 - 07:21 PM.


GodTank2 #6 Posted 19 June 2020 - 07:30 PM

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Its not about data. If you buff the tiger 2 then people will want cdc buffed , then after the tiger 2 gets buffed the T32 will need a buff and so on, then you are stuck on an endless loop of re-buffing tanks. Not all tanks can be equal , some will be bad and some will be good.

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View PostGodTank2, on 19 June 2020 - 06:30 PM, said:

Its not about data. If you buff the tiger 2 then people will want cdc buffed , then after the tiger 2 gets buffed the T32 will need a buff and so on, then you are stuck on an endless loop of re-buffing tanks. Not all tanks can be equal , some will be bad and some will be good.

 

Ye and thats the problem right right. If we at wagaming buff one EDIT tank then players will cry about the rest of the tanks on same tier being sad excuse of a tanks so we would have to buff them as well. Oh that would we so much effort we dont have time for that, nothing like doing nothing in your work but just drinking and making excuses right ..


Edited by Pathethicc_Noob, 19 June 2020 - 07:35 PM.


Alcoholic_Hellhound #8 Posted 19 June 2020 - 07:45 PM

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Another EDIT: I never said its easy to balance all the tanks and all the maps in this game, ... but would you really defend WG when you see their "effort". Oh we make absolutely broken tanks as we are ..... and we use 45 % % players as testers, we make maps like you push you loose, we make ................ in this game, and tier X is so well balanced, .... look that that, end game contennt that should be the very meaning of balanced game depending on skill on individual player.. haha you wont find that here, no way. hahhah. Right now go defend WG the best online games company in the worst more like a joke, a ........ joke that entire tier X is.

 

 

Absolutely great idea to give some players "REWARD" vehicles like 279 or Chieftain, ......... Like seriously. Entire game became a joke. I still like to play it but you cant argue that this is a ......... joke. And WG now realize that some aspects of the game are joke??? No way??? Seriously?? This company is soooooooooo F .......... I dont have words. 


Edited by Pathethicc_Noob, 19 June 2020 - 07:47 PM.


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I cannot answer to OP before I collect more data.

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View PostGodTank2, on 19 June 2020 - 07:30 PM, said:

Its not about data. If you buff the tiger 2 then people will want cdc buffed , then after the tiger 2 gets buffed the T32 will need a buff and so on, then you are stuck on an endless loop of re-buffing tanks. Not all tanks can be equal , some will be bad and some will be good.

 

Actually they are working on buffing the gun of the T32.



Alcoholic_Hellhound #12 Posted 19 June 2020 - 09:28 PM

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ye they realized T32 sucks after who knows how long. Huray WG we should all make a celebration for them or something.

Xeideo #13 Posted 19 June 2020 - 11:39 PM

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I mean they collect more data but no one telling us if they also use them. For me it looks like they using only RU-Server data to balance the Game.



LethalWalou #14 Posted 20 June 2020 - 01:19 AM

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View PostPathethicc_Noob, on 19 June 2020 - 05:54 PM, said:

What testing? Everyone who played some undeperforming tanks who is at least average player can tell which tanks are OP and which suck hard.

 

Can we take you as an example then, how are you claiming EBR is OP when you haven't even played the thing?

 

Manticore for example is not a bad tank. I can say that because I have played the line and understand it. What is your counter to that?



o_Okyo #15 Posted 20 June 2020 - 01:45 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 19 June 2020 - 05:52 PM, said:

 

Then with no data, tells us how you would balance them without testing? Or even what order you do all the 200 underpowered tanks. As doing that in one patch is no small task. As the Tiger II is not alone.

 

 

Hellooooo, the problem is already known by years in the case of Tiger II! 

 

How much decades it takes?!

 

Are you serious?

 

I might die until the R374RDS from the balancing department do something!

 


Edited by o_Okyo, 20 June 2020 - 01:46 AM.


LethalWalou #16 Posted 20 June 2020 - 02:13 AM

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View Posto_Okyo, on 20 June 2020 - 12:45 AM, said:

Hellooooo, the problem is already known by years in the case of Tiger II! 

 

How much decades it takes?!

 

Are you serious?

 

I might die until the R374RDS from the balancing department do something!

 

 

So if it has been known for years you should be able to explain it to us. So, umm, what is it?



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View PostLethalWalou, on 20 June 2020 - 01:13 AM, said:

 

So if it has been known for years you should be able to explain it to us. So, umm, what is it?

Are you honestly gonna call the Tiger II balanced and not admit that it is falling far behind other T8 HTs and especially newer ones? Seriosly? Can you not even admit the fact that it has been severly powercreeped and is much weaker than its same tier counterparts? 

 

We already know you are the biggest Wargaming fanboy in the entire EU region - but this is just pathetic. 



Space_Vato #18 Posted 20 June 2020 - 07:42 AM

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Following the discussions about a rigged MM (and people demanding more data samples to prove or disprove) WG follows through by creating the piggest pile of samples ever made, before taking action.

UserZer00 #19 Posted 20 June 2020 - 08:17 AM

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I think they should make it so they are automatically balanced during the match.

If one tank is overperforming, and the others underperforming then a quick nerf on the view range of the over performing tank vs a buff on the penetration of the underperforming tank.

It would go a long way towards eliminatimg those 15-2 routes everyone complains about.

Solves 2 problems at once.


Hmmmmmm, maybe not


saxsan4 #20 Posted 20 June 2020 - 08:18 AM

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But the manticore has one of the highest average dmg of all t10 light tanks, it doesnt suck , its just not an ebr




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