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Penguinor #1 Posted 20 June 2020 - 12:39 PM

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Have been grinding this tier alot lately and have been wondering if it's basically dead now. 19/20 games I'm bottom tier. Trying to grind out a stock challenger is impossible if all you ever see is tier 8/9. I have a feeling the sheer flood of tier 8's in the queue all the time has made it impossible to find a tier 5/6/7 game ever again ☹️

_Anarchistic_ #2 Posted 20 June 2020 - 12:41 PM

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View PostPenguinor, on 20 June 2020 - 12:39 PM, said:

Have been grinding this tier alot lately and have been wondering if it's basically dead now. 19/20 games I'm bottom tier. Trying to grind out a stock challenger is impossible if all you ever see is tier 8/9. I have a feeling the sheer flood of tier 8's in the queue all the time has made it impossible to find a tier 5/6/7 game ever again ☹️

 

been saying that over and over ever since this teplate system introduced and people keep saying its a fair system

 

its total trash, and i have also been keeping score, 2 weeks playing T29, IS etc and 3 top tier games in 177 battles, genius WG pure genius



_6i6_ #3 Posted 20 June 2020 - 12:45 PM

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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 20 June 2020 - 01:41 PM, said:

 

been saying that over and over ever since this teplate system introduced and people keep saying its a fair system

 

its total trash, and i have also been keeping score, 2 weeks playing T29, IS etc and 3 top tier games in 177 battles, genius WG pure genius

 

3 out of 177 is pretty good actually :P



Penguinor #4 Posted 20 June 2020 - 12:49 PM

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I guess it's gunna be a get out of tier 7 as fast as possible then. Guess I have a good reason to use the blueprints now. 

NUKLEAR_SLUG #5 Posted 20 June 2020 - 12:51 PM

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You're a TD, just hang back and snipe.

Penguinor #6 Posted 20 June 2020 - 12:53 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 20 June 2020 - 12:51 PM, said:

You're a TD, just hang back and snipe.

Doesn't work when your gun can't pen squat and everyone's view range is better than urs 



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View PostPenguinor, on 20 June 2020 - 12:53 PM, said:

Doesn't work when your gun can't pen squat and everyone's view range is better than urs 


What about the rest of the tier 7 enemies on the team ?They cant be penned either?Or they have better view range aswell?



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View PostPenguinor, on 20 June 2020 - 12:53 PM, said:

Doesn't work when your gun can't pen squat and everyone's view range is better than urs 

Your team mates are their to provide their view range.  Of course, they may not cooperate and you may have to relocate based on their gameplay.

 

As for the penetration, it does make things tougher, especially with new crews, but you just have to aim for the few weak spots that exist and hope for the best.  If all else fails (and only if) there's always HE to track or cause module damage

 

Eventually your crew is better and you hit those weak spots more often.

 

I'm in the minority, but I prefer being low tier.  I feel less pressure to perform well and usually end up doing OK because of it.



NUKLEAR_SLUG #9 Posted 20 June 2020 - 01:08 PM

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View PostPenguinor, on 20 June 2020 - 12:53 PM, said:

Doesn't work when your gun can't pen squat and everyone's view range is better than urs 

 

Half the enemy team is the same tier as you are. You have no excuse for not being able take them on. The other half you might possibly need the odd gold round for.

 

 



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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 20 June 2020 - 12:08 PM, said:

 

Half the enemy team is the same tier as you are. You have no excuse for not being able take them on. The other half you might possibly need the odd gold round for.

 

 

just this



MajorTom_7000 #11 Posted 20 June 2020 - 01:15 PM

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Just wait until you get the top gun, then you appreciate the accuracy of the bottom gun. That and my Amx Cda 105 have the most inaccurate guns in the game for me, tier 1 potato launchers are more accurate. I have stopped grinding the line at tier 7, it just didnt seem worth it. I did notice with my Amx Cda that running food seemed to turn on an accuracy switch, I dont know if this might be the case with the challenger too. Ok I just had 1 game in my challenger and the accuracy seemed ok at close / medium range, maybe its just when sniping that its really inaccurate.

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Penguinor #12 Posted 20 June 2020 - 01:17 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 20 June 2020 - 01:08 PM, said:

 

Half the enemy team is the same tier as you are. You have no excuse for not being able take them on. The other half you might possibly need the odd gold round for.

 

 

Except it's not half. There's like 3 tier7's, 7 tier 8's and 4 tier 9's in like every game. In a DPM based, low pen tank destroyer with shite camo, and no view range you can't do jack. You try penning a defender even with premium ammo at range and see how far it gets you. The worst part is that he's only tier 8. 



Gkirmathal #13 Posted 20 June 2020 - 01:24 PM

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View PostPenguinor, on 20 June 2020 - 12:17 PM, said:

Except it's not half. There's like 3 tier7's, 7 tier 8's and 4 tier 9's in like every game. In a DPM based, low pen tank destroyer with shite camo, and no view range you can't do jack. You try penning a defender even with premium ammo at range and see how far it gets you. The worst part is that he's only tier 8. 

 

That cannot be, the minimum low tiers in a 2 spread template is the template 6-5-4.

Maybe you mean of those 6, 2/3 are arty and 1 is an LT leaving you about 3 effective targets of your own tier to shoot?

 

If you mean that then yes, the match making can be a biatch in those situation. You have to adjust your play style, depending on how skilled your in the tank you play.

Best thing to do is to keep back play 2nd line or even 3rd (red line) support if you are bottom tier and be prepared to shoot some premium ammo for those armored +1 or +2 targets.



Corrupted_Pling #14 Posted 20 June 2020 - 01:31 PM

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noone plays its as its pointless tier for the tanks

 

like you cant do anything except randoms with tier 7 tanks nowadays



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I very much doubt you were top tier 3/177 times. When I recently played a couple of t6 battles I was top tier multiple times.

vanderkat #16 Posted 20 June 2020 - 01:34 PM

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View PostPenguinor, on 20 June 2020 - 12:39 PM, said:

.......... impossible to find a tier 5/6/7 game ever again ☹️

There always seem to be plenty of Tier VIIs finding 5/6/7 games when I'm driving a Tier V     :sceptic:



Uh_Oh_ #17 Posted 20 June 2020 - 02:54 PM

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Tier 5 - 10 random battles so far today.

 

3/5/7 Bottom tier x 4

3/5/7 Mid tier x 3

4s & 5s x 1

5s & 6s x 2

Same tier x 0


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Galan7891 #18 Posted 20 June 2020 - 03:03 PM

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View PostPenguinor, on 20 June 2020 - 01:17 PM, said:

Except it's not half. There's like 3 tier7's, 7 tier 8's and 4 tier 9's in like every game. In a DPM based, low pen tank destroyer with shite camo, and no view range you can't do jack. You try penning a defender even with premium ammo at range and see how far it gets you. The worst part is that he's only tier 8. 


Why are you  trying to pen a defender as bottom tier in the first place?Track him (and keep him tracked ) and let arty or bigger tiers to deal with him and enjoy that sweet assist.



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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 20 June 2020 - 01:08 PM, said:

 

Half the enemy team is the same tier as you are. You have no excuse for not being able take them on. The other half you might possibly need the odd gold round for.

 

 

 

This has always been a somewhat "meh" argument. The same was true in the 3/5/7 tier 8 horror matchmaking when you nearly exclusively had tier x games and we know how well that worked out till they fixed the mm.

 

Just cause there are equal tier tanks to fight doesn´t mean that you get to fight those equal tier tanks as they are quite often just farmed by your higher tiers and you end up dealing with the higher tiers or nothing.

Not saying this is generally the worst thing, but it surely becomes a garbage experience when mm sends you into one +2 mm game after the other. All you will feel like is being filler for higher tier games and this doesn´t create a good experience nor an incentive to play certain tier. Like the old tier 8 mm, why play tier 8 when you end up in tier 9/10 games in 90% of the time anyways.

But i guess anytime they fix one mm issue they inevitably create another, surely they have the data so they need to make sure to create at least an even experience of top/mid/bottom tier games.

 

That is off course if certain "claims" of being permanent bottom tier are true, as with lots of things this is often down to a biased perception at least without some proper evidence.

Like using awfultanker session stats which records the battle tier per session, if you play tier 5 and end up with a 6.7 battle tier session one after another then there is obviously something wrong, as it shows you are more or less filler tank for higher tier games non stop. But people sadly hardly provide any evidence besides "it happened cause i said so".



TheJungleBeast #20 Posted 20 June 2020 - 03:40 PM

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I play my tier 7  T20 lots and I find MM is pretty balanced for me from what I can tell, though today I seen tier 9  quite a lot, infact today I have been bottom tier lots in  general!




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