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L0rd_0f_War #61 Posted 26 June 2020 - 03:09 AM

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View PostVanGore78, on 25 June 2020 - 02:23 PM, said:

 

I am sorry, nothing personal, but your stats make it hard to take your recommendations serious. 

He 'recommends' that you spend your money, or let some other fool spend their money on this trash...

 

If you don't like it don't buy it line is BS for those who actually bought the tank, and would like a competitive buff to their purchase now collecting dust... kind of like my poor sad old T34. Such an expensive paper-weight now.



Lanrefni #62 Posted 26 June 2020 - 09:36 AM

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View Postvuque, on 25 June 2020 - 05:22 PM, said:

 

If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. Just because it is not your cup of tea, doesn't mean that someone else is not appreciating it. ;)

That is not the point.

The point is that the tank just pales to other premiums that exist. Like, why buy this and be detrimental to your team, when you could just buy the Progetto 46?

This thing needs to be either removed from the game or given some serious buffs, because otherwise, it will not be taken seriously.

 

I pity all the fools who actually buy this kind of garbage.



geoff99 #63 Posted 26 June 2020 - 01:10 PM

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FCM50t is a really bad tank. It is quite inethical for WG to promote it, in it's current state.

 

WG should either not sell rubbish tanks, or sell them, but be really clear and honest about their strong and weak points.

 

eg (in my dreams)

 

We're selling the FCM50t. Its a heavium that has been in the game a long time. It hasn't been updated recently so is not as competitive as other premium tanks. We encourage collectors of French tanks to buy one.

 

Good points

 - its French

 - its a premium tank, so you can train crews, or use good crews from other tanks and earn good credits

 - restricted match making so it never sees tier 10 (unless you platoon with another tier 8 that has standard matchmaking)

 - good ish mobility

 

Weak points

 - little effective armour

 - poor camo

 - ok pen, poor alpha

 - big target for arty

 


Edited by geoff99, 26 June 2020 - 01:16 PM.


Virusas #64 Posted 26 June 2020 - 02:23 PM

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View Postvuque, on 25 June 2020 - 04:22 PM, said:

 

If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. Just because it is not your cup of tea, doesn't mean that someone else is not appreciating it. ;)

Its awfully funny how WG staff is trying to defend this tank although even the most popular community contributors(who will know and understand this game waaaay more) said that this tank is a huge pile of garbage :) .Do you think we will listen to some incompetent guys,who play 1 game once a month and dont understand how meta has changed or to  dedicated players who are playing this game constantly? :)



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Also, I'd like to think that there is some sort of consumer protection for this type of mis-selling.

 

Under UK law, Sections 13 and 14 of Sale of Goods Act refers to the requirement for goods to meet their description and be of satisfactory quality and fit for purpose. From reading the WG advert, you definitely get the impression that FCM50t is a good tank, rather than a pile of sheet. So there may be a legal case there? Are there any lawyers who could provide professional advice?



Sanderr #66 Posted 26 June 2020 - 07:17 PM

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Alpha should be atleast 300, not less. How can you even sell this and try to justify this?

WotPizza #67 Posted 27 June 2020 - 03:19 PM

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They should keep the Gun but change it to a 5 clip reloader with 1.7 wait between shots and a reload of 20 second Max because alpha is too low

Virusas #68 Posted 27 June 2020 - 07:29 PM

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View PostWotPizza, on 27 June 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:

They should keep the Gun but change it to a 5 clip reloader with 1.7 wait between shots and a reload of 20 second Max because alpha is too low

Oh my god so you want to make from powercreeped tank to literally unbalanced? Why dont you think twice before you write something.



WotPizza #69 Posted 27 June 2020 - 09:55 PM

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View PostVirusas, on 27 June 2020 - 07:29 PM, said:

Oh my god so you want to make from powercreeped tank to literally unbalanced? Why dont you think twice before you write something.


thats a bit tad hostile  Why as No need for it.. you are the perfect example of the toxic People in this game that drives away so many from it ...

 

I have the right to my own opinions and the FCm 50 t is indeed so bad that even as an autoloader it wouldnt be op it would make it attractive and competitive against all the non op normal tanks it has to play against like mini maus vk 100 01 p to not mention the big number of armored tanks that Will just farm it. It would force heavy armoured tanks approach it with caution actually creating instant game balance! My idea is far from stupid its brilliant.

 

why the forum mods let you talk to people like that  un punished is beyond me..

 

 


Edited by WotPizza, 27 June 2020 - 09:59 PM.


Echotun #70 Posted 27 June 2020 - 10:30 PM

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View PostWotPizza, on 27 June 2020 - 09:55 PM, said:


thats a bit tad hostile  Why as No need for it.. you are the perfect example of the toxic People in this game that drives away so many from it ...

 

I have the right to my own opinions and the FCm 50 t is indeed so bad that even as an autoloader it wouldnt be op it would make it attractive and competitive against all the non op normal tanks it has to play against like mini maus vk 100 01 p to not mention the big number of armored tanks that Will just farm it. It would force heavy armoured tanks approach it with caution actually creating instant game balance! My idea is far from stupid its brilliant.

 

why the forum mods let you talk to people like that  un punished is beyond me..

 

 


Asking you to think twice before posting is toxic? Arent we throwing this word around a little too casually?
 



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FCM 50 t: Crap or Trash? Yes!



_HakunaMatata_ #72 Posted 28 June 2020 - 05:11 PM

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Bad tank. You just waste money.

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View PostVirusas, on 27 June 2020 - 07:29 PM, said:

Oh my god so you want to make from powercreeped tank to literally unbalanced? Why dont you think twice before you write something.

Autoloaders don't always have high pen, reload can be quite lethal for a paper tank, and if you don't want to be clipped by this thing simply detour as you will see it coming from quite far away, or circle it so the turret rotation cant keep up.  Add the french gun handling, and you'll know why t8 is swarmed by progettos and heavily armored heavies, not .....AMX 50 100's.



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Wargaming trying to sell bad tanks only as part of an over-inflated bundle.

Almost £40 for such bundle which is supposedly reduced from £46..

 

I'll pass.


Edited by moenie, 29 June 2020 - 11:18 PM.


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Fun thing that thanks to powercreep it went from one of the best preferential MM premiums to nearly unplayable garbage - so bad in fact, that by playing it you are basically lowering your team's chance to win by a simple virtue of having it in queue.

 

Let me compare it to two vehicles that are quite similar to it. One is heavy, one is medium.

FCM has the same hitpoint pool as the heavy in question, 200 more than a med. 

Both of these vehicles have comparable DPM, though the heavy has slightly better, medium has worse than FCM.

FCM has slightly better gun handling than heavy I'm comparing it to but only thanks to better aim time and depresion - it is less accurate. It has far inferior gun handling than a med, however. 

 

In terms of mobility - FCM wins, true and reasonably significantly, but FCM's mobility is of dubious utility to say the least, as the remaining aspects are lacking.

 

Armour on all compared vehicles is comparable, which means it is garbage for the most part.

 

FCM has far worse camo than 2 other tanks.

 

In direct slugfest, FCM loses to the heavy in question and wins with a med only by a virtue of having 200 more hitpoints. 

So... FCM is not really any better than these two other tanks.

 

Can you guess which tanks I compared FCM to?

 

Tiger and Panther. 

 

YEP, FCM is effectively a tier 7 vehicle, but it hogs a tier 8 heavy slot. It has no significant advantages over any tier 8 heavy, or even med for that matter - it has no advantages over some TIER 7 heavies for crying out loud. It is horrible in virtually every aspect except mobility, which is not a saving grace at all. Yes, it can keep up with meds, but can't perform in combat like a med due to insane size, horrible camo and poor gun handling. 

It can't effectively snipe, because the French 90mm is legendary in how inconsistent it is, and the 212mm of pen, which used to be AMAZING for a preferential MM premium, is worthless these days. 

It can't brawl, because it is huge, has virtually no armour and has insanely huge, awkwardly placed internal modules - the poor thing gets ammo racked almost as much a Centurions or Leopards. 



Legobanjo #76 Posted 21 August 2020 - 11:45 AM

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This tank is horrible. Gun was accurate before accuracy changes, now it's meh. No Armor would be fine but ammoracked and burning after frontal hits is horrible.

 

 



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View PostLanrefni, on 26 June 2020 - 08:36 AM, said:

That is not the point.

The point is that the tank just pales to other premiums that exist. Like, why buy this and be detrimental to your team, when you could just buy the Progetto 46?

This thing needs to be either removed from the game or given some serious buffs, because otherwise, it will not be taken seriously.

 

I pity all the fools who actually buy this kind of garbage.


pregoetto is medium and italian not french and heavy 






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