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saxsan4 #1 Posted 24 June 2020 - 08:19 PM

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Hello,

 

What tanks are the most blatantly OP in each tier? Premiums 

 

 

Tier 2 - Perfectly Balanced

Tier 3 - pz 2 J

Tier 4 - T28-E

Tier 5 - Lef18B2

Tier 6 -  T34-85M

Tier 7 - T-44-122

Tier 8 - Defender, IS3A, , EBr 75 (I have it and its amazing) Cent 5/1*

 

*Cent 5/1 is here because compared to the tech tree counterpart Cent 1, it is just better in every way, more hull armour same turret and gun stats just a 100% upgrade although isn't OP v other tanks, I discuss here because its just a total upgrade from the tech

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Defender is just better than is3, 440  dmg with insane armour, It was the start of the OP premium tanks, it still annoys me that it was brought into the game

 

IS3A ,why give the is3 an autoRELOADER, it again is just blatantly OP

 

EBR 75, is so good, the HE rounds if you pen give it insane DPM, it is the best active spotter at tier 8, especially in skirmish, I love mine and have it 1 marked, but I can se it really does excel

 

Borderline OP is Pregetto 46 but it is balanced by no armour unlike progetto 65 which is ridiculously OP with its silly hull

 

 

 


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BlackBloodBandit #2 Posted 24 June 2020 - 08:24 PM

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and what's the use of this list?

 

IS3A is an auto-reloader, not an autoloader. Those 2 are completely different.



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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 24 June 2020 - 07:24 PM, said:

and what's the use of this list?

 

IS3A is an auto-reloader, not an autoloader. Those 2 are completely different.


to discuss 


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View Postsaxsan4, on 24 June 2020 - 08:25 PM, said:

to discuss 

There's nothing to discuss. IS3A has 3 shots that you can fire separately from each other, with different reload in between instead of having to unload a full clip and then reload.



saxsan4 #5 Posted 24 June 2020 - 08:29 PM

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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 24 June 2020 - 07:28 PM, said:

There's nothing to discuss. IS3A has 3 shots that you can fire separately from each other, with different reload in between instead of having to unload a full clip and then reload.


yes, which is why its OP, it can clip you and fire in single shots, and has good pen and high dmg, good armour and mobility

 

where are the drawbacks?

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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 24 June 2020 - 07:24 PM, said:

and what's the use of this list?

 

IS3A is an auto-reloader, not an autoloader. Those 2 are completely different.


also they are slightly different not completely different 



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View Postsaxsan4, on 24 June 2020 - 08:29 PM, said:


yes, which is why its OP, it can clip you and fire in single shots, and has good pen and high dmg, good armour and mobility

 

where are the drawbacks?


also they are slightly different not completely different 

full clip reload of 30 seconds or different reloads is "slightly"? It asks for a complete different playstyle. I never said it's not OP, I only said it's not an auto-loader. :facepalm:


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saxsan4 #7 Posted 24 June 2020 - 08:55 PM

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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 24 June 2020 - 07:48 PM, said:

full clip reload of 30 seconds or different reloads is "slightly"? It asks for a complete different playstyle. I never said it's not OP, I only said it's not an auto-loader. :facepalm:


autoreloders are only slightly different to autoloaders not 'completely different' completely means it is not similar in any way shape or form which is not the correct word to use here

 

both share the same game icons in battle and both can shoot all shots in a clip with an intra clip reload 

 

the only difference is one has to fire all shots to reload whereas one can reload after each individual shot, ergo, they are slightly different not completely different 

 

 

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I already get why you think they are "slighty" different... you suck in auto-loaders and not in auto-reloaders, but play them the same?

 

You still didn't explain the use of this topic.


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The IS-3A is cach though.

The gun handling on that is just way worse than that of the regular IS-3, and its mobility is also far worse.



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View Postsaxsan4, on 24 June 2020 - 08:19 PM, said:

 

Tier 3 - pz 2 J 

Tier 4 - SU-85I 

Tier 5 - Lef18B2 

Tier 6 -  T34-85M 

Tier 7 - T-44-122 

Tier 8 - Defender, IS3A, , EBr 75 (I have it and its amazing) Cent 5/1* 

 

 

 

 

you would need to look at the statistics for these tanks compared to their peers to see if they are "blatantly op" or not. Progetto is, as last I looked, it was over 300 damage per game more than its f2p equivelant in the pantera (most likely due to the pantera having a stock grind) - these being both a lot higher than other T8 meds like the T-44 or the pershing (which are both pretty poor T8 meds but the point stands)

 

you can 2 mark the Pershing with 2k combined... 2k damage alone will barely get you to 1 mark on the progetto, which just shows you how broken the thing really is.



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As I can remember, su85l was tier 5, not 4. And is not OP.

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View PostGreenCamel, on 24 June 2020 - 08:18 PM, said:

As I can remember, su85l was tier 5, not 4. And is not OP.


sorry yes you are correct, im thinking of s76i



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View Postsaxsan4, on 24 June 2020 - 09:21 PM, said:


sorry yes you are correct, im thinking of s76i


that's tier 3



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View PostGreenCamel, on 24 June 2020 - 10:21 PM, said:


that's tier 3

SU-76G Fake Tank then?

You know, the one people got from the black market.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 24 June 2020 - 11:27 PM, said:

SU-76G Fake Tank then?

You know, the one people got from the black market.

First: thats not su76l

I said su76l is tier 3, not tier 4 

 

Second: the one you say is not premium and is not OP.



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Tier 2 Mini Maus.

Tier 3 FCM 36 Pak 40

Tier 4 none. 

Tier 5 none lef18b2 maybe... 

Tier 6 T-34-85M

Tier 7 none

Tier 8 Progetto 46

 



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View PostIsharial, on 24 June 2020 - 09:11 PM, said

you can 2 mark the Pershing with 2k combined... 2k damage alone will barely get you to 1 mark on the progetto, which just shows you how broken the thing really is.

 

Tbh Pershing is really scraping the bottom of the barrel of T8 mediums. Slow, bad armor and trash 240 dmg gun with almost 7 second reload so it's not surprising. Compared to Pantera, Indien, Lansen, T-44 and a few others, Progetto isn't really anything special.



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View Postsaxsan4, on 24 June 2020 - 08:19 PM, said:

 Tier 2 - Perfectly Balanced

Tier 3 - pz 2 J

Tier 4 - SU-76I

Tier 5 - Lef18B2

Tier 6 -  T34-85M

Tier 7 - T-44-122

Tier 8 - Defender, IS3A, , EBr 75 (I have it and its amazing) Cent 5/1*

 

Tier 2 perfectly balanced? Well, we have the mini maus most clip guns can't even pen. Or the T2 Light... The only tier 2 balanced to fight tier 4. Gun pen is still bad, but the reload is still great vs burst fire. And the view range is superb.

 

Tier 3 I'm gonna put up the Pak 40. Pz II J has armor, but can't even pen himself. Pak 40 has 400m base view range. Get that thing on Mines and on the right spot, and you can kill anything before they even see you, inc Pz II J's. As Pak 40 and SU-76i is what I took out back in the day when there was a II J sale.

 

On tier 4 the SU-76I... is not there. Because it's a tier III. And I will still put it behind the Pak 40. But we do also have the T28 F-30. A tier 4, with the tier 5 KV-1 gun. I'm putting that one there.

 

On tier 5 the LeFH is ofc the most broken thing there.

 

T-34-85M was... over buffed IMO back in the day. And it's been given out a fair bit as a freebie too. So not limited like other broken prems. But still fairly strong.

 

T-44-122 has never been sold. Only one to really play it was Skill4ltu, as he got it as a rental from WG to 3 mark. My money there would go towards the 13 57. Like the leaf blower, it's a tank they still sell. With +0 MM, designed never to be top tier, and mostly did get +3 back in the day vs now.

 

Tier 8? Sure the Progetto is strong, the 5/1 is never much of an issue tbh. EBR 75 is different vs the 6x6. But so is the IS-3A vs the IS-3. In a way worse way.

 

 

 

 



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View PostMrKrotchy, on 25 June 2020 - 12:00 AM, said:

 

Tbh Pershing is really scraping the bottom of the barrel of T8 mediums. Slow, bad armor and trash 240 dmg gun with almost 7 second reload so it's not surprising. Compared to Pantera, Indien, Lansen, T-44 and a few others, Progetto isn't really anything special.


im not even sure there's a contest between the T-44 and the progetto…. they aren't on the same level at all :amazed: 

 

even your own personal stats debunk your claim.... (I don't know when you played them, so they could be really old, then again, that cant be proven so.. they could be current as well) 

of all the T8 mediums you've played more than 100 battles (you cant take the lansen and the others you mentioned since low battles and skewed results), the only one that's close is the reval, with 3 marks on it and the progetto still does 200 damage more per game for you, as well as a higher winrate. how can you say "isn't really anything special" when its proven, in your own personal hands, that its far better than all the others?

 

I mean, your T-44 does a whopping 700 damage less per game. and the winrate to match that... 

 

 

Pershing is bad as an example, I know that. I tried playing it years ago and gave up before I even managed the top turret or engine, it was awful.. I saw how bad it was recently when I saw a player on Highway with 2 marks, and the stats were terrible given they actually held it at that. 

 

im not trying to dig at you or anything, but the progetto really is too strong for T8, and your own stats prove that...



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View PostIsharial, on 24 June 2020 - 09:11 PM, said:

you can 2 mark the Pershing with 2k combined... 2k damage alone will barely get you to 1 mark on the progetto, which just shows you how broken the thing really is.

 

Well... to be fair, the Progetto don't have a stock grind. Even the Pantera has a fairly comfy stock grind with the 2 round gun. The Pershing has one of the worst tier 8 stock grinds around that pulls the average down a fair bit I suspect vs them.




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