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Shell2Kill #1 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:08 PM

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Hey everyone, so I’ve watching Skill4ltu’s videos for a while now and there’s something that I don’t totally understand. How can he 3 mark a tank within 100 battles(that’s me being generous, he’s done it with way less but just to make my point). I’m not a bad player I’d say. Anyone got an idea hoe skill does it?

ZlatanArKung #2 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:09 PM

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View PostShell2Kill, on 26 June 2020 - 10:08 PM, said:

Hey everyone, so I’ve watching Skill4ltu’s videos for a while now and there’s something that I don’t totally understand. How can he 3 mark a tank within 100 battles(that’s me being generous, he’s done it with way less but just to make my point). I’m not a bad player I’d say. Anyone got an idea hoe skill does it?

He plays good. The better you play, the less battles are required.



no_skill_bob #3 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:19 PM

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To mark a tank within less than 100 battles you need to be very consistant, thats what i usually lack, thus the reason why i have quite a few tanks that have 3 mark dmg requirments, but no marks, because every bad game brings perventage down a lot, while to get the same amount back, you will need more than 1 good battle.

TheDrownedApe #4 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:20 PM

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in very simple terms:

 

You have an average "combined" where your assisted (the highest of tracked and spotted) and actual damage is added together and gives you a value of "2000". If you play 100 games with 2000 combined you will get..........................too drunk sorry



no_skill_bob #5 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:24 PM

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View PostTheDrownedApe, on 26 June 2020 - 11:20 PM, said:

in very simple terms:

 

You have an average "combined" where your assisted (the highest of tracked and spotted) and actual damage is added together and gives you a value of "2000". If you play 100 games with 2000 combined you will get..........................too drunk sorry

its friday, so its alright  :D


Edited by no_skill_bob, 26 June 2020 - 10:25 PM.


arthurwellsley #6 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:27 PM

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View PostShell2Kill, on 26 June 2020 - 09:08 PM, said:

Hey everyone, so I’ve watching Skill4ltu’s videos for a while now and there’s something that I don’t totally understand. How can he 3 mark a tank within 100 battles(that’s me being generous, he’s done it with way less but just to make my point). I’m not a bad player I’d say. Anyone got an idea hoe skill does it?

 

Consistency.

 

Know what is required as the combined number for the tank. The combined number is damage dealt + spotted assisted.

 

If you know the combined is X, and you try and do X or X plus 10% or 20% every battle the 3MOE will happen.

 

Do X plus 30% every battle and 3MOE in 50-65 battles.



Nebuched #7 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:42 PM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 26 June 2020 - 10:09 PM, said:

He plays good. The better you play, the less battles are required.

He doesnt use food, gold, mods, directives ?



Private_Miros #8 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:48 PM

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View PostNebuched, on 26 June 2020 - 09:42 PM, said:

He doesnt use food, gold, mods, directives ?

 

He doesn't use mods, he also uses his arms.

 

You can use all the food, gold, mods, directives you want, and with your current skill level you'll never two-mark higher tiers.



24doom24 #9 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:52 PM

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If you watch his streams you'll see he analyses every game where something went wrong and tries to improve it.  

 

That 'growth mindset' combined with 130,000 games over RU and EU servers he's probably come across and knows how to deal with almost all scenarios. 

 

Also assist damage is just as important as regular damage, especially for lights. If you can't pen a tank it's easier to track them and let your teammates damage him while you take the tracking assist.

View PostNebuched, on 26 June 2020 - 09:42 PM, said:

He doesnt use food, gold, mods, directives ?

He does use all of that actually. But if you were to play against him with an equal set up he'd probably eat you alive:)



LethalWalou #10 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:54 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 26 June 2020 - 09:48 PM, said:

 

He doesn't use mods

 

I thought MoE mod was a mod. :P



Spurtung #11 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:56 PM

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View PostShell2Kill, on 26 June 2020 - 09:08 PM, said:

How can he 3 mark a tank within 100 battles

 

Think "average" and "sum", constantly being calculated.

 

When you need an "average" of 2k combined, that translates in a "sum" of 200k. Once you reach that number, within 100 battles, it's done.

 

So...

Someone doing 2k per battle will need the whole 100 battles.

Someone doing double that will need half that, so a combined 4k will need only 50 battles.



Nebuched #12 Posted 26 June 2020 - 10:59 PM

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View Post24doom24, on 26 June 2020 - 10:52 PM, said:

If you watch his streams you'll see he analyses every game where something went wrong and tries to improve it.  

 

That 'growth mindset' combined with 130,000 games over RU and EU servers he's probably come across and knows how to deal with almost all scenarios. 

 

Also assist damage is just as important as regular damage, especially for lights. If you can't pen a tank it's easier to track them and let your teammates damage him while you take the tracking assist.

He does use all of that actually. But if you were to play against him with an equal set up he'd probably eat you alive:)

Never met him but i'd like to see him rush me thinking I'm totally defenseless and won't even notice him coming on to me. 

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 26 June 2020 - 10:48 PM, said:

 

He doesn't use mods, he also uses his arms.

 

You can use all the food, gold, mods, directives you want, and with your current skill level you'll never two-mark higher tiers.

Mine was a comment about skill in general, not about marking. Maybe you need some mods to help with your reading comprehension ? And some egg on your face when you realised you ad hominem'd a wiki test account ?


Edited by Nebuched, 26 June 2020 - 11:00 PM.


Private_Miros #13 Posted 26 June 2020 - 11:03 PM

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View PostNebuched, on 26 June 2020 - 09:59 PM, said:

Never met him but i'd like to see him rush me thinking I'm defenseless....

 

If you have a keyboard and a mouse you aren't defenceless.

 

Skill in WoT is also not related to 1vs1 at all.

 

But even completely F2P and vanilla you should be at least dealing your own HP in damage and not 40%-50% of that per game. Let alone the 150-200% top players do.



Nebuched #14 Posted 26 June 2020 - 11:09 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 26 June 2020 - 11:03 PM, said:

But even completely F2P and vanilla you should be at least dealing your own HP in damage  

Would be funny to have a list of your games and see if you did that 100% of the time.  But keep ad hominem'ing, surely you'll dont have to debate the actual point that way. 



Private_Miros #15 Posted 26 June 2020 - 11:17 PM

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View PostNebuched, on 26 June 2020 - 10:09 PM, said:

Would be funny to have a list of your games and see if you did that 100% of the time.  But keep ad hominem'ing, surely you'll dont have to debate the actual point that way. 

 

Nobody does that 100% of the time. Averages are what count.

 

Where the ad hominem? With a skill level that results performance sub-60% of the player base, the player doesn't have the necessary skills to benefit much from all advantages that enhance performance. There simply isn't enough around to enhance. At the top level, those that have a base of solid game insight (all things you cannot buy, such as game reading, anticipation, decision making) using all the benefits the game provides gives an edge obviously. Yet more than a few have shown top level performance and even three marking difficult tier X tanks is possible without using gold ammo.

 

In short, to go a player that can three mark nearly anything, and even 100% most tanks, you must have a great skillset in the skills that matter in wot, none of which are influenced by gold ammo, food, directives or legal mods. The result of that skillset, that benefits from gold ammo, food and directives.

 

And basically anyone not at that top level can throw anything they want at the game in terms of money and premium benefits and can just go cry in the corner because it doesn't matter since they are not good enough. This also counts for me in hard to mark tier 8s and in most tier 9 and 10s with my current skill set.


Edited by Private_Miros, 26 June 2020 - 11:19 PM.


ZlatanArKung #16 Posted 27 June 2020 - 08:49 AM

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View PostNebuched, on 26 June 2020 - 10:42 PM, said:

He doesnt use food, gold, mods, directives ?

Doesn't make much of a difference. Maybe it prolongs with like 5-10 games, so instead of doing it in 60 it takes 65-70.



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View PostZlatanArKung, on 27 June 2020 - 08:49 AM, said:

Doesn't make much of a difference. Maybe it prolongs with like 5-10 games, so instead of doing it in 60 it takes 65-70.

 

It actually makes more if a difference. As you lower rng impact to the lowest possible, cause one bad rng game can drop your percentage quite a lot. Specially when you close in on 95. You need way more good games in a row to compensate for the really shitty ones.

 

So marking without food, prem ammo etc will not be just more difficult but given the rng involved way more frustrating.

Eventually you get there but the difference will be way more then just 5-10 games.



StronkiTonki #18 Posted 27 June 2020 - 09:15 AM

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Skill4ltu also knows when to stop playing on a server when the teams are being too trashy to even be able to do any decent damage.

He has a nice alternative to switch between RU and EU servers, which obviously not everyone does.

 

Sadly I am a very stubborn person, so I often keep playing until my personal reserves run out, even if my teams evaporate in 3 minutes every time.

Also, Skill4ltu takes a lot of breaks to calm down when he gets frustrated. Something that everyone should do when they feel too heated.

He's also just generally good at keeping a calm and positive mindset. Having a positive mindset, how hard it might be when having terrible teams/battles, is a major key in staying consistent. Being annoyed will always cause you to play worse.


Edited by StronkiTonki, 27 June 2020 - 09:17 AM.


MaliceApsa #19 Posted 27 June 2020 - 10:55 AM

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He uses food , directives  and upgraded equipment and spamming gold. As a result he looses minimum -140k silver per game. it means 100 games will cost you 14.000.000 credits minimum. Can you afford this ? He can afford it because he is funded by WG, he has no worries about in game economy, he has unlimited silver and gold. he only loads premium rounds (50+ premiumrounds. Majority of players can not afford this. .

To get 3 marks you need to spam gold , use food and directives. I assume you are good player

May I ask you something. What will you get if you achieve 3 marks ?


Edited by MaliceApsa, 27 June 2020 - 11:11 AM.


tajj7 #20 Posted 27 June 2020 - 11:20 AM

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View PostMaliceApsa, on 27 June 2020 - 09:55 AM, said:

He uses food , directives  and upgraded equipment and spamming gold. As a result he looses minimum -60k silver per game. Can you afford this ? He is funded by WG so he has no worries about  in game economy. Spamming gold ( 50 premium rounds per game )  like no tomorrow. Majority of players can not afford this. .

To get 3 marks you need to spam gold , use food and directives. I assume you are good player

May I ask you something. What will you get if you achieve 3 marks ?

 

No he doesn't, he only spam gold on the extremely hard to mark tanks like Chieftain, or for pushing to the last 100% on certain tanks that are very hard to do, which is what he is doing on the RU server.

 

On a normal tech tree tank and doing 3 marks, he won't use that much premium ammo, he certainly doesn't spam it. As you can see here -

 

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Those are a couple of recent tanks from his recent streams, he's on 98% on the 59-Patton but still isn't spamming full HEAT and that is a terrible tank with poor average pen.  Tiger 131 as well has poor pen for a tier 6 heavy but he isn't spamming full ACPR. 

 

He also is not 'funded by WG' at all, he's funded by his stream viewers who send him gold and stuff, but he honestly doesn't need it, he makes so many credits anyway. 


Edited by tajj7, 27 June 2020 - 11:20 AM.






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