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tajj7 #1 Posted 27 June 2020 - 02:04 PM

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You are nerfing the EBR, you are nerfing the Progetto, you are nerfing the 430U.

 

This is the WR curves of those tanks -

 

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Yes the 430U is a bit stupid and too good all round for medium when it has armour better than heavies, yes the EBR and Progetto are better than many in their class, but their nerfs, whilst make some sense and you can see arguments for them, are absurd when you consider this -

 

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The average increase in win rate the 279e gives players is 8%, 8%, that turns a 50% overall WR player into a bluenicum level win rate player ON TIER 10, where people tend to not do as well as their overall win rate. (as its generally harder to carry on higher tiers than mid and lower tiers).

 

It's not even like the thing is that rare anymore, more and more people are getting it, there are over 8.5k now on the EU server and counting and many are abusing the crap out of it, I've met several players recently who have 1k or even 2k games in this thing, with win rates that they cannot match in any other tier 10 tank.

 

Literally one 279e on a team will just steamroll a flank, many tier 8 and 9 tanks have no chance at all to pen it frontally, and many tier 10s if their premium ammo is not high enough (like IS-7s, Kranvagns, TVPs, etc.) will struggle as well, and that is if players actually use their premium ammo, which many don't. 

 

We have people complaining about quick one sided games, yet let a tank like this, which is so powerful it can decide games on its own. 

 

Even the Chieftain, which itself is an OP tank, in randoms can't come close to the power of a 279e -

 

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It's just stupid, how is this thing being allowed to continue like this for so long? It's a reward tank, it's not a bought premium (though very clearly some of them have been bough through those grinding sites you see online), it can easily be nerfed and should be nerfed, it's clearly the most over powered tank in the game right now and probably the most OP tank the game has ever seen, 



Erwin_Von_Braun #2 Posted 27 June 2020 - 02:08 PM

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Maybe WG have access to more relevant data?

 



ZlatanArKung #3 Posted 27 June 2020 - 02:13 PM

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Because WG doesn't cares at all wether a tank is balanced or not.

They only really care about how many whines about it, if they care at all.

 

If you want it nerfed, get a majority of the playerbase to whine about it constantly for 1 year or more, and there is a chance. 


Edited by ZlatanArKung, 27 June 2020 - 02:15 PM.


Bora_BOOM #4 Posted 27 June 2020 - 03:08 PM

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WG: Let's make a tank without a LFP.

What could possibly go wrong.

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ONE77ZERO13 #5 Posted 27 June 2020 - 03:12 PM

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Chieftain has the most potential out of the bunch imo .. it's too damn versatile 



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View PostBora_BOOM, on 27 June 2020 - 02:08 PM, said:

WG: Let's make a tank without a LFP.

What could possibly go wrong.

:facepalm:

 

That in itself wouldn't be an issue if UFP was penetrable or if sides weren't so slopped.

 

View PostONE77ZERO13, on 27 June 2020 - 02:12 PM, said:

Chieftain has the most potential out of the bunch imo .. it's too damn versatile 

 

Chief is like super conqueror, you need good positioning, if caught out of position chief will die like any other tank, 279e on the other hand is ehhhh... slightly more forgiving. 



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View PostZlatanArKung, on 27 June 2020 - 01:13 PM, said:

Because WG doesn't cares at all wether a tank is balanced or not.

They only really care about how many whines about it, if they care at all.

 

If you want it nerfed, get a majority of the playerbase to whine about it constantly for 1 year or more, and there is a chance. 

 

  Try learning Russian that helps with posting on the forum in the RU server :angry:


Edited by Tealo, 27 June 2020 - 03:19 PM.


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WG already said they wont nerf it coz "its OP but there EARNED the toy and people would reee if we nerf"

 

They dont care. they never cared.



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Like we all know that 279 UFO is one of the most retarded tanks in this game, but thats not the reason to not nerf EBR and 430U. I dont understand the proggeto nerf tho. That tank was always about counting and thinking like, should I fire or should I wait for another shell to load to not loose DPM, ...

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OllieCromwell #10 Posted 27 June 2020 - 03:29 PM

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Because having to fight this in my AMX AC 48 is supposedly fun.

According to many forum lurkers this is completely balanced and 'part of the game' ... Dying to this, just means I should not get hit or 'git gud' ... 

 



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View PostOllieCromwell, on 27 June 2020 - 03:29 PM, said:

Because having to fight this in my AMX AC 48 is supposedly fun.

According to many forum lurkers this is completely balanced and 'part of the game' ... Dying to this, just means I should not get hit or 'git gud' ... 

 

Aim at weakspots, fight the tanks of your own tier are equally shitty advice when it comes to the obj 279e retard tank.



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 27 June 2020 - 02:19 PM, said:

WG already said they wont nerf it coz "its OP but there EARNED the toy and people would reee if we nerf"

 

They dont care. they never cared.

 

My life is ruined because an online gaming company doesn't care about me.

I shall now thcream and thcream until I'm thick



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View Posttajj7, on 27 June 2020 - 02:04 PM, said:

It's just stupid, how is this thing being allowed to continue like this for so long?

 

The answer is rather simple i guess, there is a certain group inside the playerbase which simply enjoys playing with OP/Broken tanks, for them its totally fine to have advantages over others so its easier to pretend being good at the game.

Depending on region this group is larger or smaller. This "disease" seems to have its peak in the asian market, where p2w is just embraced by a large group. Its rather pathetic but depending on where a game is marketed for this crap is something you will have to more or less extend and there is not much you can do about.



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uh so which tank are you talking about? 

 

if it's the reward tanks then WG will never nerf them. they even stated this directly. 



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Because their idea of balance also includes how many of a particular tank is in the MM, as not as many people have the op 279e they think for now it's ok.  Madness, stop making these dumb tanks to begin with.

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Well, Obj430U, Prog65 and EBR are at every bob's reach but 279e requires quite an effort (or steep wallet, tbh don't even know what those "services" cost).

 

279e's are here and there but usually I don't encounter they that much per day but EBR's are ruining big part of days games. Progetto also deserves it's nerf but don't really know the fuss around Obj 430U's, maybe they sold me faulty one, also those die rather quick when encountered.

 

Perhaps good move would be to put 907 and T95/4201 at bond shop, it would level a playing field a bit but guess the unicums would go reeeee.



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View PostMakotti, on 27 June 2020 - 05:11 PM, said:

Perhaps good move would be to put 907 and T95/4201 at bond shop, it would level a playing field a bit but guess the unicums would go reeeee.

 

Yes lets ignore the problem by just selling it to anyone, this is no solution but a great way to just ruin the game by just increasing the number and in return punish all non op tanks for existing.

 

If something is OP/broken then its not justified with "its hard to get", "there aren´t many", "everyone can get it" or "just sell it so anyone can easily get it".



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View PostKdingo, on 27 June 2020 - 04:14 PM, said:

 

Yes lets ignore the problem by just selling it to anyone, this is no solution but a great way to just ruin the game by just increasing the number and in return punish all non op tanks for existing.

 

If something is OP/broken then its not justified with "its hard to get", "there aren´t many", "everyone can get it" or "just sell it so anyone can easily get it".


Exactly. this is how you get Defender spam.



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Put a noob in that tank and let's see how they perform...

 

Are you forgetting what a player has to go through in order to obtain that tank?...

 

Are you forgetting how well they have to perform, consistently, in order to complete the missions for that tank?...

 

It is completely obvious that players who play that tank are better players.



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 27 June 2020 - 05:20 PM, said:

Put a noob in that tank and let's see how they perform...

 

Are you forgetting what a player has to go through in order to obtain that tank?...

 

Are you forgetting how well they have to perform, consistently, in order to complete the missions for that tank?...

 

It is completely obvious that players who play that tank are better players.

 

That doesn't exactly justify it being excessively broken. I'm a fairly good player, I'm not asking for some insane broken tank as a reward for something; I'd just rather have something more unique or in-line with tech tree equivalents while offering something different (M60 Compared to M48, 121B Compared to 121, Char Futur 4 Compared to BC 25t AP).

 

We also know some players out there pay for others to grind the tank for them, and now you have significantly worse players playing the tank and still achieving +8% WR because a uni did the hard part for them. 






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