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deorum #1 Posted 29 June 2020 - 11:18 AM

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Bourasque.

This is silly, 

 

It practically has a 720alpha on a light tank platform. It rushes to first bush, it outspots you before you are there, unloads 720 alpha, and is gone. Just sit patience for as long as you can, to unload 720alpha in 2 secs. Only some TDs in tier 8 have this capabilty, but are way slower (ISU, RHM etc), and unable to relocate to the other edge of the map without being expected. 
Late game... dont even speak about that. 

 

Just look at the requirments to get a Mastery Badge or to 3mark it and it simply verifies what i am saying. 


edit : Corrected my "alpha" dmg, i wrongly said its 780, while its 720 (360x2)


Edited by deorum, 29 June 2020 - 01:13 PM.


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4500 combined dmg for the third mark. Just sayin'

_Signal_ #3 Posted 29 June 2020 - 11:26 AM

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Guess what you actually have to play it well to get those games, OP its a medium tank not a light tank as well. 

deorum #4 Posted 29 June 2020 - 11:32 AM

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View Post_Signal_, on 29 June 2020 - 10:26 AM, said:

Guess what you actually have to play it well to get those games, OP its a medium tank not a light tank as well. 

 

I know.
That's why i said "practically" is a light tank, not typically. 
My syntax wasnt the best, "practically" is in front of 790 alpha, but i also meant it to be for the "light tank" role. 
As is BC-25t for example. Maybe even better considering its t8, and VR of enemies isn't as saturated as in t10. 

 


Edited by deorum, 29 June 2020 - 11:41 AM.


MaxandChloe4ever #5 Posted 29 June 2020 - 11:37 AM

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The Bourrasque has a horrible aim time, if it were to fire as soon as the second shell is up, that shot is going to be quite inaccurate, unless you are right up someone's face, so this sorts of balances it out. 
I tend to think of it as a high skill cap tank, only good players can have a consistently good performance in it, if you put a new player in it, I don't think one can perform so well in every battle.

And the required exp for Ace Tanker and required damage for 3 mark is just another indicator of it being a high skill cap vehicle, same as the Progetto and the Rene.



Richthoffen #6 Posted 29 June 2020 - 11:38 AM

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only thing that is a tad bit op is its camo, for the rest its a nice tank.

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View PostMaxandChloe4ever, on 29 June 2020 - 10:37 AM, said:

The Bourrasque has a horrible aim time, if it were to fire as soon as the second shell is up, that shot is going to be quite inaccurate, unless you are right up someone's face, so this sorts of balances it out. 
I tend to think of it as a high skill cap tank, only good players can have a consistently good performance in it, if you put a new player in it, I don't think one can perform so well in every battle.

And the required exp for Ace Tanker and required damage for 3 mark is just another indicator of it being a high skill cap vehicle, same as the Progetto and the Rene.

 

The problem with some tanks is that they get min/max... yes aim time isn't the best, but use directives/improved equipment etc, and it becomes enough to do the job.

Also i dont really understand the "hi reqs" = "hi skill cap". 
So 279e that has like 7-8K combined to get 3 mark is high-skill cap?
Sure to get 3mark its EXTREMELY high skill, but that is because its already too good and is abused by everyone. 

As far as projetto 46 is concerned , it has 3K reqs for 3mark and is one of the highest tanks already. Bourasque is +50% Already from that



Kdingo #8 Posted 29 June 2020 - 11:45 AM

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You can marginalize borrats by dabbing the 3 key twice. They learn their place pretty quickly when you take half their hp +3-5 crits.

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View Postdeorum, on 29 June 2020 - 10:41 AM, said:

 

The problem with some tanks is that they get min/max... yes aim time isn't the best, but use directives/improved equipment etc, and it becomes enough to do the job.

Also i dont really understand the "hi reqs" = "hi skill cap". 
So 279e that has like 7-8K combined to get 3 mark is high-skill cap?
Sure to get 3mark its EXTREMELY high skill, but that is because its already too good and is abused by everyone. 

As far as projetto 46 is concerned , it has 3K reqs for 3mark and is one of the highest tanks already. Bourasque is +50% Already from that

Well take the 907 or other reward tanks, they have insane reqs because the people that play them/have them are good players. I imagine its the same for the Borrasaque, high reqs for tanks is only produced by the people playing it getting consistently high damage games in them due to them being in the upper exchelons of players. Take the leo pta that's a good tank as well but because anyone can get it it usually drops the reqs down because the majority of players who play in it will suck.  Personally I found that a rather easy tank to 3 mark, much easier than the Borrasque. If the tank was OP then I would have found the Borrasque easy to do as well. It isn't. I got to 94% then had a run of bad games, all I can say if there is a solid lumps of really really good players doing very  well in that tank.

 

Don;t forget it's all to do with the number of people playing it and how good they are. If 200k people have a 279 and only 10k of those are good then the numbers go down, if there's 200k people have it and 100k of those are damn good players then the numbers will sky rocket.


Edited by _Signal_, 29 June 2020 - 11:52 AM.


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View Postdeorum, on 29 June 2020 - 11:18 AM, said:

It practically has a 780alpha on a light tank platform. It rushes to first bush, it outspots you before you are there, unloads 780 alpha, and is gone. Just sit patience for as long as you can, to unload 780alpha in 2 secs. Only some TDs in tier 8 have this capabilty, but are way slower (ISU, RHM etc), and unable to relocate to the other edge of the map without being expected. 
Late game... dont even speak about that. 

 

 

It has 190 mm of pen with standard rounds though, which means you need to position yourself smartly in order to do consistent damage, on heavier targets. Which is also balanced with the < 3 second aim time. A minor correction, the clip alpha is 720, not 780.



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View PostKdingo, on 29 June 2020 - 01:45 PM, said:

You can marginalize borrats by dabbing the 3 key twice. They learn their place pretty quickly when you take half their hp +3-5 crits.

 

Or even arty, i once splashed a Burrsq for 350 from almost 6-7m from where i aimed (which usually deals 150-180 to armoured tanks or just stun), so...yup.


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View Postsplash_time, on 29 June 2020 - 12:16 PM, said:

 

Or even arty, i once splashed a Burrsq for 350 from almost 6-7m from where i aimed (which usually deals 150-180 to armoured tanks or just stun), so...yup.

 

One does not need to commit heresy just to marginalize a tank.



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They also one shot beautifully with the M53/M55.

 

I've never experienced them as something OP. Very capable in the hands of a very good player. Very meh in anyone else's.

 

And the title has becoming ironically incorrect by posting it.



TankkiPoju #14 Posted 29 June 2020 - 12:47 PM

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It has very high skill cap, which makes 3rd mark reqs super high.

 

But it's not OP by a long shot.



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Bourrasque is stupid broken. it spits in the face of french tier 8 tanks like batchat, EVEN90. people complain about the Bourrasque gun being bad. obviously they never played EVEN90 which is literally unplayable levels of bad gun handling and accuracy.

 

Its a medium so it gets a pass, while lights get there gun trashes and 40% less hitpoints. welcome to WG balance.

 

Edit: @kdingo, ill rememeber that next time in my Primo or Cent5/1 with 230 alpha popguns with sub 2k dpm and also crappy gun handling.


Edited by Search_Warrant, 29 June 2020 - 12:57 PM.


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View Postdeorum, on 29 June 2020 - 10:18 AM, said:

nobody complains about this super OP tank


So why would anyone complain?!

 

 



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except it's made of paper and gets obliterated when spotted. It's certainly very appealing to higher skill level players. But on the flip side a steve/tomato wouldn't have a clue how to play it and die pretty quick. 

 

also it has sub par accuracy, a really long aim time and pretty poor gun depression. 


Edited by 24doom24, 29 June 2020 - 01:31 PM.


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The reqs are only high because bad players have given up in them and good players can make them work very very well

Cobra6 #19 Posted 29 June 2020 - 02:15 PM

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Because it's not OP, it's not rocked science....

 

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saxsan4 #20 Posted 29 June 2020 - 02:32 PM

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its not OP lol, I pen with HE easily, very low pen, it is a solid tank but not even close to being OP




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