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veefara #1 Posted 29 June 2020 - 01:29 PM

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Why get T-29 1045 exp and PzIIIe only 757 ? A difference of 38% !

 

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i tried to find out how the difference can be ... without success.
 
 
 
green = pro PzIIIe
orange = pro T-29
 
Spotting an enemy tank for the first time > Small flat bonus per detected tank> 3 vs 1 for pzIIIe
 
Damaging enemies you are spotting yourself
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Damaging enemies that your team is spotting, but not yourself > 50% of the above
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Damage done to targets you are spotting, by team members who are not spotting them themselves > 50% of ...
 
Worst case calculation. All spot dmg form all player done for PzIIIe
 
1336 > PzIIIe dmg 
377 > Sum (all Damage upon detecting  T-29=147 + M15/42=60 + M15/42(2)=110 + LTP=60)
101 > Damage upon detecting  PzIIIe
 
1336-(377/2)+(101/2)= 1198 dmg 
 
Best case calculation. No Spot dmg lose %,
 
1296 > T-29 dmg
147 > Damage upon detecting T-29
1296+(147/2) = 1369
 
Best case dmg-T-29 (1369) - worst case dmg PzIIIe (1198) = 171 
 
171 = only 14% more dmg in this calculation. 
and i think PzIIIe spots more for himself.
 
Killing shot > 5 vs 4 for pzIIIe
 
Close combat bonus> Damaging enemy tanks at under 200m range gives a very small bonus
 
PzIIIe: fist 450 dmg + one shot > 200m range ... so ~ 850 dmg in combat range
T-29: i don't know ... 
his first shot with 169 damage was definitely not in the combat range ... maybe another one
so he did max. 1127 ... and min ... 1000 dmg in combat range ....
max 277 more then the PzIIIe .... for a very small bonus.
 
Scoring base capture points > 0 both 
Scoring base defense points > 0 both
Completed base capture > 0 both
Survival > Small flat bonus > both
Victory > Coefficient of 1.5 > both
 
Inflicting critical (module/crew) damage > Small bonus depending on ...
PzIIIe has Bruiser Medal ... T-29 not.

 

thx for help 

 



BattleMetalChris #2 Posted 29 June 2020 - 01:33 PM

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He likely got a lot of spotting damage too. And possibly your shots were against a target that was being spotted by someone else.

 

If you damage someone who you aren't spotting yourself, half the xp goes to the person doing the spotting.



veefara #3 Posted 29 June 2020 - 02:25 PM

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" He likely got a lot of spotting damage too. "

 

he has "Damage upon detecting 147" .. so he get exp for 50% of 147 dmg 
1296 + (147/2) = 1369

 

 

"And possibly your shots were against a target that was being spotted by someone else."

 

4 Other tanks have "Damage upon detecting"  
T-29 = 147
M15/42(1) = 60
M15/42(2) = 110
LTP = 60
---------
Sum = 377

so i can max lose 50% form 377 dmg 
but i get 50% from 101 dmg (my "Damage upon detecting"  )

1336 - (377/2) +( 101/2) = 1198 dmg 

in this best/worse case zenario he did only 171 dmg more ... 14% but earns 38% more exp.


Edited by veefara, 29 June 2020 - 02:39 PM.


Kdingo #4 Posted 29 June 2020 - 02:30 PM

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What most likely makes the difference, shooting less lower tier enemies and spot for yourself.



mjs_89 #5 Posted 29 June 2020 - 02:35 PM

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View PostKdingo, on 29 June 2020 - 02:30 PM, said:

What most likely makes the difference, shooting less lower tier enemies and spot for yourself.

 

But how do you shoot lower tiers in a full tier 3 battle?

 

My theory: The T-29 shot mostly HE (as indicated by his splash damage) and got good RNG rolls vs modules/crew members.

Inflicting critical (module/crew) damage

This means destroying an enemy tank's module (only damaging it is not enough), or killing a crew member.

Small bonus depending on the tier of the target compared to yours, whether caused by direct hits, splash damage, ramming, fire or ammo-rack explosion.

Light tanks receive a bonus for critical damage inflicted to heavy tanks.

In all cases, only the first critical destruction counts (or second, in case a repair/first aid consumable was used)

 

Most likely that and (indicated by his lack of damage done at 300+ meters) the fact that he fought close-quaters while you shot tanks that others spotted.

 

Edit: Really, qpranger?


Edited by mjs_89, 29 June 2020 - 02:42 PM.


Balc0ra #6 Posted 29 June 2020 - 03:07 PM

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If it's that much of a difference, I suspect he shared XP with a spotted to get less. As even if he had almost no damage at 300+ m. At that tier the view range is low as is to make it a bigger factor at sub 300m. Even if you go in a group and peek fire at close range, the one keeping them spotted changes all the time. And then that's 50% less XP per damage point. And in a group like that, it's more or less imposible to know how much damage he did do on his own spotting to make an exact estimate.

 

T29 might have gone a different flank and done more solo to share less with others etc that would explain it.

 

And sure the Pz III had more first spots. That it's only listed as a "small bonus". We don't know how much, and if that overall ever makes a major differece. Even if it did, the 50% on assist kills the XP more.


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veefara #7 Posted 29 June 2020 - 03:18 PM

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"My theory: The T-29 shot mostly HE (as indicated by his splash damage) and got good RNG rolls vs modules/crew members."

is it possible to do modules/crew dmg without crits ? he has no bruiser medal ..
and ... the talk about a "small bonus" 


" Most likely that and (indicated by his lack of damage done at 300+ meters) the fact that he fought close-quaters while you shot tanks that others spotted. "

at the start of the game 3 tanks (t-29 / chi-ha / me) played on the train tracks (Himmelsdorf)
there i do hmmm 500 dmg not in comat range .. the rest in combat range ... 
the t-29 min one 169 hit .. maybey II hits not in combat range .... 
i think that t-29 gehts his 147 spot dmg here (from me or chi-ha)
then he drive in the city. all other tanks played in the city or hill.
the only tank on my side was the chi-ha .... but he has no spot dmg.

all spot dmg of the other team members was only 377 ... so i cant lose much
exp because other spotted for me. and i got 50% form 101 dmg i spotted ... for
the chi-ha.

" Edit: Really, qpranger? "
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malachi6 #8 Posted 29 June 2020 - 03:31 PM

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View Postmjs_89, on 29 June 2020 - 02:35 PM, said:

 

Edit: Really, qpranger?

 

Isn't it funny that a like from qpranger can be considered a thumbs down in many posts?  Though to be fair, recently, I have noticed his posts being more reasonable.



veefara #9 Posted 29 June 2020 - 03:34 PM

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it was himmelsdorf .. short map .. city map ... no bushes ... 
no chance to hide ... only frist see first spot .... and my tank has 
377 view range without active binos ... with .. > 400

overall my team did 

1336+1296+949+572+376+371+369+364+149+148+94+88+8+0+0=6120 dmg

only 377 + 101 = 478 dmg was 

" Damaging enemies that your team is spotting, but not yourself  "

only 7 Prozent of the overall-dmg are dmg spotted by another tank.

this was not the game ... this is not the map for losing much exp 
because other spot for others. 



Homer_J #10 Posted 29 June 2020 - 03:39 PM

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View Postveefara, on 29 June 2020 - 01:29 PM, said:

 

i tried to find out how the difference can be ... without success.
 

 

 

The wiki doesn't have all the details of how exp is allocated.  WG have never shared the full details.  What we know is there is exp for "being in the battle" but we have no idea what that means.

 

Basically the other guy got more because the game decided they were more useful.



Private_Miros #11 Posted 29 June 2020 - 03:40 PM

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View Postmalachi6, on 29 June 2020 - 02:31 PM, said:

 

Isn't it funny that a like from qpranger can be considered a thumbs down in many posts?  Though to be fair, recently, I have noticed his posts being more reasonable.

 

Yeah, this is has left me significantly more confused than xp calculations ever have.

 

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XP seems to give a a lot of extra credit to kills and close combat (-100m), as well as to hits received.



Kdingo #12 Posted 29 June 2020 - 03:44 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 29 June 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:

XP seems to give a a lot of extra credit to kills and close combat (-100m), as well as to hits received.

 

As if it would be tailored towards russian tanks strength, absolute coincidence off course.



Homer_J #13 Posted 29 June 2020 - 03:45 PM

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It's possible the T-29 has a multiplier like the Churchill III has but there is no way of knowing for certain.

veefara #14 Posted 29 June 2020 - 03:54 PM

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there is a big difference ... 
but hey ... if the game thinks he was much more effectiv ... 
parking his tank beside me .... behind a building ....
or behind me .... :)  or .... hmmm he drives a russian premium tank ...
with stalin exp bonus ... or .. he traveled a less distance for ...
... camping bonus ... sorry ... resource-saving driving 

thanks to everyone who tried to answer a question that can probably only be answered directly by wg.



Private_Miros #15 Posted 29 June 2020 - 04:07 PM

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View PostKdingo, on 29 June 2020 - 02:44 PM, said:

 

As if it would be tailored towards russian tanks strength, absolute coincidence off course.

 

Or T67s apparently:

 

Also interesting I got more xp than the lkv who yolo'd and shutgunned enemies while kept my distance (Studzianki, not the best scout map).

 

Spoiler

 


Edited by Private_Miros, 29 June 2020 - 04:09 PM.


veefara #16 Posted 29 June 2020 - 04:09 PM

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@homer_j ... :) 

 

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but ... i looked other replay previews .... 

it didn't look like that the t-29 get exp bonus.



Kdingo #17 Posted 29 June 2020 - 05:26 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 29 June 2020 - 04:07 PM, said:

 

Or T67s apparently:

 

Also interesting I got more xp than the lkv who yolo'd and shutgunned enemies while kept my distance (Studzianki, not the best scout map).

 

Spoiler

 


He traveled the least and, as all the "amazing" red line snipers know, tanks run on xp. The more you drive the less you get.



Homer_J #18 Posted 29 June 2020 - 08:17 PM

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View Postveefara, on 29 June 2020 - 04:09 PM, said:

 

but ... i looked other replay previews .... 

it didn't look like that the t-29 get exp bonus.

 

It's only guesswork.  WG won't give out the details of how exp is calculated because they are worried people will do only things which give exp.  Trying to figure it out will only drive you mad.



veefara #19 Posted 29 June 2020 - 09:48 PM

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@homer_j .. in the normal i case don't even look at it ... .... it was just so noticeable ... it doesn't bother me .. I would have asked the same question if I had been the T-29 player.


Orkbert #20 Posted 29 June 2020 - 10:45 PM

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Point 1: close combat bonus, that T-29 did all his kills at close combat range while the OP did most of his stuff at 150m or even more.

 

Point 2: probably XP penalty for spamming premium ammo, who knows






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