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 rycerzyk, on 12 January 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

it's not exactly the same AMX 40

No need to buff it, just small MM adjustments will do fine. The problem with this tank is it gets in way too high tier battles where it can not do anything either as scout or support. WG needs to lower max tier battle for MM and limit max number of amx 40s in min tier battles (like it was done with uber-armored hotchkiss) and all will be OK for me.

Well I have this ugly duck. Its fully upgraded....lol. My best so far is 4 kills in a game, at one time on the flat it even managed 20kph. It truly is a hard grind to the AMX 12t.

 SuperiorBeen, on 11 January 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

I have two sure ways to use this tank effectively and get at least one tank killed every match:

1. count your own death in the kills: this tank is soooooo slooooooow, it cannot even go fast to hide somewhere, dig a hole, and let the rest of them team play unhindered;

2. parade  in front of some bloke who never met the amx 40. He'd usually strangle himself to death laughing.

Man this tank needs an engine upgrade, speed limit 50 kph are they joking..

DM

Since the first battle i ever had in it i'm put against tier 7 guys. So..Working as intended i guess. No gun, so i thought it will be good scout with 50km/h. lol it never reaches it, on normal maps. Scout role is over. So waht role this tank should have in tier 7 battles? 20% win ratio exactly like the B1 (here is just play among Tier5-6 all the time). Yes aim for the weakspots, wahtever...show me how to damage a T29 os Is in this, and not being one shotted .

Thank You Wargaming for the experinece! Well balanced tank, again!

Well, i somehow like it. Yes, it is damn slow, but the armour is quite good. I happened to kill a 100% pz4 with kwk42 in a duel inside the village of Prochorówka, when I still had the 45mm gun.
This is my best battle with it. Draw, time expired, 2:2 left:

A Maus is more agile than this POS

 SuperiorBeen, on 15 January 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Did any of the wargaming "developers" tried to gring 14+k exp with this among tier 7?? How the hell should i enjoy this? The jpz IV and the vk3001P was miles better regarding "fun" like this. Well toght trhough MM...

The tank is good in its tier. When you are up against tier 5 and higher, you will get in trouble and will most certainly die. 75mm gun is quite nice for its tier. Still nice to see that you actually eat B1's for breakfast.

Didn't like to play it too much because of poor mobility and the tendency to be put in battles with tier 6 and sometimes tier 7 tanks.

p.s. Watch out for TD's in general...

Whats wrong with you guys? The AMX40 is pretty good for its tier.

It has some pretty nice sloped armor with up to 70/65/40 which is best at its tier - compared to tier4 meds: pz3 70/30/50 no slope or T28 30/20/20 no slope or the M3Lee with 50/38/38 sloped.

The gun is good enough to penetrate every enemy at the amx40s tier at every angle featuring 110mm penetration - which is by far the most penetration you can get on any light tank on tier 4. The gun can even be compared with tier4 medium tanks (you'd wish you had a gun like this if you drive a pz3).

So if you are matched against tier4 and lower you can play this tank almost like a heavy, your enemy lights and meds will have problems to penetrate you from front and sides and up to tier3 also from behind while you can penetrate and destroy every enemy.

If you are matched higher than tier4, well no shit there is somebody who can hurt you. I don't see the big difference from beeing hit by a KV in a T28 or a AMX40, both times you won't survive it. But you can still play a useful game if you don't attack the big guys head on - besides you can penetrate KVs front - try that in your PZ3...

Yes the tank does not allow you to play the mindless suicide "scout" rush, simply because it is to slow - but you can kill all the wanna-be rushers pretty easily.

This is a very special tank but as long if you play its strengths you can rule the battlefield.

 Hellbanan, on 16 January 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

Thats true.
I even think, that AMX40 is better than B1. But I like to play with B1 and hate AMX40. All because matchmaker. Both these tanks are great against same or lower tiers and suck against higher tiers. While B1 gets 80% tier4 battles and 20% tier5, AMX40 gets in 95% tier6+ battles. And the only thing AMX40 can do in tier6+ battle, is die. And AMX40 is bad even at dying, because it take too long to meet fist enemy and own death.

Just download the rubber ducky skin available on this forum and all of a sudden you stop caring about wins and losses. What could be better than running around in an armoured yellow duck?

Seriously, in its own tier, as people have said before, this is a good, fun tank to use; tough enough to survive and pick up Steel Wall, with a gun that, whilst wildly inaccurate beyond slapping range, can deal out the pain to tier 3/4. I really think there is nothing wrong with the tank that fixing its matchmaking wouldn't cure - although the same can be said about most tanks in game I guess!

Keep tanking ... Quack quack!

"good for it's tier". But tha problem is that i got matches with it since the first battle among tier7. If M would put me in Tier 4 battles (where this tank should comepte) i had no problem at all with it. At this state it's fustrating and silly.

 Hellbanan, on 16 January 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

No it's not. How good the tank is is defined by win/loss ratio. B1 is much better than AMX40.
Matchmaking is the most important stat of any tank, and it makes AMX40 pretty bad.

AMX40 is a paper warrior.



Also, B1 on average bounces more shots than AMX40. This is because B1 fights normal tanks, not tier7.

Dongfeng_division - if you are using win/loss as your definition of a "good tank" you are using the wrong measure. In random battles win/loss ratio is dependent on too many variables:

• playing in platoon
  
• matchmaking
  
• skill level of the rest of the team
  
• your individual ability of the tank
  
• your knowledge of the map
  
• crew skills
  
• lucky/unlucky RNG

for it to be a reliable guide.

We have all seen or been in those games where someone, maybe you, get 7 kills, Steel Wall, Confederate, Top Gun and Sniper and STILL LOSE! and if you haven't, you have been very, very lucky or you play in a Clan  

Average exp for tier level, average damage per battle, hits taken and survival rate etc all have to be considered as well.

Just my view

Keep tanking

 Pere_Ubu_Roi, on 16 January 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

On skill, and tank itself.


The rest are just exceptions that no one will bother mentioning unless it's in his interest to convince himself there is no such thing as "skill" or "one tank being better".

Well, whatever our individual views are I currently have an = win/loss ratio (and some draws)on the Duck, I always make a profit on it win or loss, I always use it in the same way - press R and drive round the flank slowly and see how far I get, unless I am top tank when I press R and drive through the middle slowly and see how far I get

Sometimes I affect the outcome of the battle, sometimes I don't; what does that tell us? Nothing other than I play random battles with random teams on random maps therefore the outcome is....

...yes, you've got it, random.

P.S. This is not the tactic I use in my T-34-85 (win > loss) AMX12 (win > loss) T25AT (win < loss) or Chaffee (win < loss)

Hits received: 58 Steel Wall with this POS. But that 21 km/h maximum speed is killing me.
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 Pere_Ubu_Roi, on 16 January 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

No, the word is "average", not random.

If you play the way you described and end up at 48% of wins there's nothing random about it. It would be random if you ended up with 90% of wins.



I understand the tank might be perfect for your playstyle of pressing "W" and spamming left-mouse button. I just don't consider it a "good" tank myself.