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saxsan4 #1 Posted 02 July 2020 - 11:01 AM

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Hello,

 

The UK Lords have said video game loot boxes should be regulated in the same way as gambling

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...nology-53253195

 

What will this mean for the Christmas loot boxes? will WG be forced to stop selling them?

 

I believe in Belguim they have banned in game loot boxes, does this also apply to world of tanks? 



shikaka9 #2 Posted 02 July 2020 - 11:05 AM

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UK Lords have no power in rasha. :honoring:

saxsan4 #3 Posted 02 July 2020 - 11:06 AM

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View Postshikaka9, on 02 July 2020 - 10:05 AM, said:

UK Lords have no power in rasha. :honoring:


If the Uk government say, ban them, can I still buy them as I play on the eu server? 



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It will mean nothing for almost everyone except from 1 or 2 countries which will be restricted.

saxsan4 #5 Posted 02 July 2020 - 11:09 AM

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View PostGodTank2, on 02 July 2020 - 10:07 AM, said:

It will mean nothing for almost everyone except from 1 or 2 countries which will be restricted.


so if the Uk banned them I couldn't  ever get type 59?? :(



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It is impossible already to buy loot boxes from IPs in Belgium, for the same reasons.

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 02 July 2020 - 10:16 AM, said:

It is impossible already to buy loot boxes from IPs in Belgium, for the same reasons.


:( so might never get the type 59?

 

 



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Im not sure. Putting it under the gambling act would make it just like any other type of gambling in casinos - where you just have to be 18+.

 

Its a posibilty that if they banned them you could still buy them from the UK after verifying your age.



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View PostOofBerry, on 02 July 2020 - 10:20 AM, said:

Im not sure. Putting it under the gambling act would make it just like any other type of gambling in casinos - where you just have to be 18+.

 

Its a posibilty that if they banned them you could still buy them from the UK after verifying your age.

Unfortunately that's a point that's often missed.

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 02 July 2020 - 10:16 AM, said:

It is impossible already to buy loot boxes from IPs in Belgium, for the same reasons.

It's slightly different from that as it's the locality that is associated when the account is created, based on IP address. Of course WG being WG had a CM post how you can get around this requirement.



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How do they define loot box? The WoT boxes give you in-game goods to the value of what you pay for the box (which, by definition, isn't gambling) plus a random drop. They blatantly do this to get around gambling laws.

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View PostOnly_Slightly_Bent, on 02 July 2020 - 10:46 AM, said:

How do they define loot box? The WoT boxes give you in-game goods to the value of what you pay for the box (which, by definition, isn't gambling) plus a random drop. They blatantly do this to get around gambling laws.

In the UK at least that's not a mechanism that defines what is gambling. The sticking point is you can't sell the items you get from lootboxes not without selling your account anyway.



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I would say that loot boxes are a long way down the list of things to be concerned about although a ban wouldn't bother me as my guess is that across the spectrum of games they are mostly aimed at kids, but at least the kids are just wasting their pocket money rather than running up debt.

In the UK at least I think that some tighter controls on gambling are long overdue.  There is a good case for banning all advertising and sports sponsorship, as was done for tobacco.



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good!

 

My son became addicted to the ones in CSGO (i think) and used to spend his wages on them then come in depressed and knowing he should have stopped. They are an awful way to make money and should be banned

 

However i don't know the best way to limit the sale of them



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View PostTheDrownedApe, on 02 July 2020 - 12:38 PM, said:

good!

 

My son became addicted to the ones in CSGO (i think) and used to spend his wages on them then come in depressed and knowing he should have stopped. They are an awful way to make money and should be banned

 

However i don't know the best way to limit the sale of them


limit the amount each person can buy let’s say 100


Edited by aps1, 02 July 2020 - 12:52 PM.


AmphetamineLogic #15 Posted 02 July 2020 - 01:01 PM

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The Lords don't make law. In any case it's a committee. And this is not new. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2019/sep/12/video-game-loot-boxes-should-be-classed-as-gambling-says-commons

 

If WoT keeps to the lowest value of a loot box to what has been paid for  (i.e. bought for value) and additional random bonus items are a marketing cherry on top, I don't think they will have any problems. There are other online games where there is clearly more of a problem with aggressive loot boxing.



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Does the UK have influence on the work of WG EU ? :trollface:

Edited by fwhaatpiraat, 02 July 2020 - 01:12 PM.


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View Postjabster, on 02 July 2020 - 11:49 AM, said:

In the UK at least that's not a mechanism that defines what is gambling. The sticking point is you can't sell the items you get from lootboxes not without selling your account anyway.

 

That's according to the current interpretation of the law.  If that is going to change then I think it would be unfair to single out one industry for something which other sectors have been doing for decades.  Chocolate eggs with a price far outweighing the value of the egg or the toy it contains for instance.  Trading cards with no chance of getting certain cards...



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So it's a case of ....

Poor Johnnies been gambling again . now he's lost his house. job and the wife and kids have left him as well...... so we will ban everyone from gambling.

Rather than

Poor Johnnies been gambling again . now he's lost his house. job and the wife and kids have left him as well..... so we will get him the help that he needs to help him cure his addiction to gambling ..... the rest of you who gambles responsibly carry on 



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View Postspleeny, on 02 July 2020 - 12:38 PM, said:

So it's a case of ....

Poor Johnnies been gambling again . now he's lost his house. job and the wife and kids have left him as well...... so we will ban everyone from gambling.

Rather than

Poor Johnnies been gambling again . now he's lost his house. job and the wife and kids have left him as well..... so we will get him the help that he needs to help him cure his addiction to gambling ..... the rest of you who gambles responsibly carry on 

 

False dichotomy

There is I think no harm in introducing a bit more grit into the system, e.g. ban advertising and sports sponsorship, ban use of credit cards, ban "VIP" offers, affordability test for online.

In the UK at any rate I will end up having to pay for Poor Johnnie and his family through my taxes when they end up living on Social Security.



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View PostHomer_J, on 02 July 2020 - 12:21 PM, said:

 

That's according to the current interpretation of the law.  If that is going to change then I think it would be unfair to single out one industry for something which other sectors have been doing for decades.  Chocolate eggs with a price far outweighing the value of the egg or the toy it contains for instance.  Trading cards with no chance of getting certain cards...

 

Can't really say I agree as the gambling laws are in place not to just annoy people but instead to apply regulation where it's felt it's needed. No one is saying you have to get a gambling license as over Xmas you have a bit of fun playing cards with your family for money.


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