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Ricox #1 Posted 04 July 2020 - 12:34 PM

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Hi! Simple question - what do you think fits Leo PT A's needs better in terms of equipment? I know that VertStab is usually a no-brainer for mediums. But I wonder if the tank's unique playstyle changes that as technically you shouldn't be zooming around the field mid-engagement and min-maxing view range to 495 does wonders on many maps.

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Vstabs rammer optics food? 491 viewrange with bia,sitawar,recon.
If you need even more viewrange bond/bounty optics?

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As a rule of thumb - if a tank can equip Vstabs, you do so.

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lol, you serious?

vstab, rammer, vents



Ricox #6 Posted 04 July 2020 - 01:58 PM

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I'm convinced, thanks for the advice!

 

View Postno_skill_bob, on 04 July 2020 - 12:52 PM, said:

lol, you serious?

vstab, rammer, vents

 

No optics?



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No Optics.

Ricox #8 Posted 04 July 2020 - 02:07 PM

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What's the logic with not running optics? Just trying to understand the point as I figured vision dominance might be a priority, but this could help me improve my other medium setups as well.

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View PostRicox, on 04 July 2020 - 12:34 PM, said:

Hi! Simple question - what do you think fits Leo PT A's needs better in terms of equipment? I know that VertStab is usually a no-brainer for mediums. But I wonder if the tank's unique playstyle changes that as technically you shouldn't be zooming around the field mid-engagement and min-maxing view range to 495 does wonders on many maps.

I would go.

 

V-stab - Rammer - Vents.

 

And if I feel I have to try-hard. Go with food instead of fire extinguishers.

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View PostRicox, on 04 July 2020 - 02:07 PM, said:

What's the logic with not running optics? Just trying to understand the point as I figured vision dominance might be a priority, but this could help me improve my other medium setups as well.

I think it can get ~445m viewrange with vents + food + BiA + crew skills. Maybe even quite a bit above.

 

Effectiveness of increased viewrange is not that good over like 450m. Since you get like 450 without optics and maybe 500 with.

 

There are some fringe cases (spotting enemies in transition between positions at longer ranges) where it is more useful, but when spotting enemies in bushes, you kind of need them to shoot first anyway which reduce camo so much the difference is neglible.

 

After I get like 450m I don't really bother caring about viewrange anymore, I have enough do to say.

I have like 500m viewrange on my M41 90GF and 450 on my HWK 12. Can't really say there is much of a difference in what I spot at various ranges between those 2 tanks. 

 

But you can run with optics - rammer - v-stab aswell. Some do this.



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View PostRicox, on 04 July 2020 - 02:07 PM, said:

What's the logic with not running optics? Just trying to understand the point as I figured vision dominance might be a priority, but this could help me improve my other medium setups as well.

 

Its the meta changes, with wheelchairs and stuff doing their wrom wrom game people started to focus more on gun handling, dpm etc characteristic and leave the vision game for others. 

Specially when they get near 445 m viewrange with vents food and all that yada yada.

 

Personally never been a fan of this food meta so just running vents is often a bit of a meh thing, viewrange "whoring" is never a bad idea specially if you don´t want to rely on teammates.

So optics is probably the save bet specially if you don´t want to run food, or don´t have bia, view range skills etc.



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View PostKdingo, on 04 July 2020 - 03:42 PM, said:

 

Its the meta changes, with wheelchairs and stuff doing their wrom wrom game people started to focus more on gun handling, dpm etc characteristic and leave the vision game for others. 

Specially when they get near 445 m viewrange with vents food and all that yada yada.

 

Personally never been a fan of this food meta so just running vents is often a bit of a meh thing, viewrange "whoring" is never a bad idea specially if you don´t want to rely on teammates.

So optics is probably the save bet specially if you don´t want to run food, or don´t have bia, view range skills etc.

no food - optics, food - vents :)

If i want to try 3marking(not big fan, usually if it happens, it happens :D), then i would highly suggest running optics, but otherwise not really, especially on leopard.

imo, nowadays with all the meta, maps after 1.0, i rather focus on having max gun stats, than VR, especially on something like leopard, because if you snipe, you are not spotting your targets 90% of the time anyway, if you go mid-range, you dont need optics. This is more for OP, just confirming, adding some thing, that Kdingo already said ;)



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I have full Improved Equipment on my Leopard PTA. In addition to the Improved Vents i have both Skills that increase viewrange on my crew plus i am using chocolate.

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View PostRicox, on 04 July 2020 - 11:34 AM, said:

Hi! Simple question - what do you think fits Leo PT A's needs better in terms of equipment? I know that VertStab is usually a no-brainer for mediums. But I wonder if the tank's unique playstyle changes that as technically you shouldn't be zooming around the field mid-engagement and min-maxing view range to 495 does wonders on many maps.

 

VertStab & Rammer and then depends on what I am doing. Either optics no food, or vents and food.



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Sidenote: WG is working quiet hard on Equipment 2.0 so things will change in the forseeable future.

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I usually go v-stabs/rammer/optics on my mediums, I play with auto fire extinguisher instead of food in most.

However, if you have a 4+ skill crew, dropping optics for vents and taking food can be a good option.



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View PostRicox, on 04 July 2020 - 12:34 PM, said:

Hi! Simple question - what do you think fits Leo PT A's needs better in terms of equipment? I know that VertStab is usually a no-brainer for mediums. But I wonder if the tank's unique playstyle changes that as technically you shouldn't be zooming around the field mid-engagement and min-maxing view range to 495 does wonders on many maps.

 

I guess its a matter of taste. Personally I always max out as much VR as possible. 



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View PostSiliconSidewinder, on 04 July 2020 - 06:18 PM, said:

Sidenote: WG is working quiet hard on Equipment 2.0 so things will change in the forseeable future.

for some tanks, yes, if special slot has some really good equipment options, but in general you will be better of running improved/bounty equipment with same setups as now.



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View PostSiliconSidewinder, on 04 July 2020 - 05:18 PM, said:

Sidenote: WG is working quiet hard on Equipment 2.0 so things will change in the forseeable future.

 

Not only on Equipment 2.0 but also on Crew 2.0.

In the Sandbox (2nd iteration of the public test) they have made the first slot for equipment role-dependant. There is one of 4 different icons visible, so the inventory system will deal with 4 tank-classes.

Some equipment is simply restricted, for example binoculars are only for SPGs but not for lights, mediums and heavies availlable. It is a reflection of camo+viewing capability, mobility, heavy structure and I can't remember what.

When you mount something unrelated on that first slot, you get a prompt that "it doesn't fit". Presumably you will get a malus then. The two other slots seems to be without a category.

That line, from the Indien Panzer, Leopard Prototype to Leopard 1 had a capability of unique gameplay. I have grinded the branch to the Object 430U at the same time and it is something completely different. With one you can support the heavies from the second line but the german line is better played as a marksman, if not to say sniper. Because it is made out of paper. Because of the accuracy of that german gun.

No matter what you choose now, to mount in that tank, after the update you will have to choose the new replacements with equally attributes. But when you have put it in once, you need Gold or Bonds to send it back to your inventory or you destroy it for free.

(IMPORTANT: It was planned to introduce the Crew 2.0 at the same time. WG went away from this plan because it would be to difficult for some players to reconfigure both, equipment and crew, at the same time. But we can expect changes to the finished Equipment 2.0 when they come out with the future Crew 2.0)

As before mentioned, some equipment may not be availlable at all for that tank class, the big toolkit will change into a "Structure kit 2nd class", the "silent exhaustion system" will replace the camonet on fast vehicles and whatnot. I have recognised a "commanders viewing kit" that is able to spot a tank even if it hides behind a 2nd bush.

By knowing this, you may consider to school the right skills to the crews in that german tanks before the update. WG will force you to play it like a brawler, for example like the Obj. 430U. Some of it unique features will become unavaillable.

In my opinion, there are two connected effects to your team when you have a high view range in this german tank class: You can spot targets even from very far behind, (so everyone within range can fight it) playing it like a tank destroyer. If the enemy is spotted by you, he gets warned by his 6th sense and starts to retreat.

Regarding to improved/bounty equipment, I would like to point out that the German will be balanced in the matchmaker against the Italian Standard B, a multiloader. Generally the better choice.


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v.stabs and rammer are mandatory. 

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Optics, Rammer and Vstabs for me as I don't roll with Food.

 

Current view range is 473m however and with good camo I can fill in the LT role without people whining for "spot". 






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